SR04 + TA

#1
Closer alignment of the TA is a key element of FAS, including, wherever possible, integration of Regular and TA infantry battalions in the new large Regimental structure. Achieving this adjustment will require some re-balancing and re-roling of units to ensure that the TA has the necessary capabilities and capacity to reinforce the Regular Army on enduring operations above medium scale where the Regular Army’s tour intervals are reduced below the 24-month norm (the situation now). In the process, the TA will remain broadly the same size as it is today but will take on some new or expanded roles in such areas as ISTAR (including UAV operators), helicopter support teams and linguists.
So TA will fall into the new large Regimental Structure. The new regular regiments will be based on the parent division (Kings, Queens, Prince of Wales). We have many TA regiments, which are multi cap badged but are made up of regts accross this division.

Does that mean the WFR coys in the East Of England Regt (Queens Div) has to move to
West Midland or Kings& Cheshire Regt (both Prince of Wales Div). With RRF Coys going the other way.

What about the London Regt (Queens Div) they may need to loose the RGJ elements (2nd London Bn I noticed on hear recently -- London Rifles Regt perhaps.

But Helicopter Support teams ...... I can see another transfer on the way
 
#2
polar said:
What about the London Regt (Queens Div) they may need to loose the RGJ elements (2nd London Bn I noticed on hear recently -- London Rifles Regt perhaps.
4 RGJ will ride again. :D
Remember, anything under a six-man lift is fair game.
You have been warned. :wink:
 
#3
polar said:
What about the London Regt (Queens Div) they may need to loose the RGJ elements (2nd London Bn I noticed on hear recently -- London Rifles Regt perhaps.
4 RGJ will ride again. :D
Remember, anything under a six-man lift is fair game.
You have been warned. :wink:
 
#8
I hate to point it out guys, but the paper says the new large Regs that the TA become integrated with will be single cap badge - and since you are companies of the London Regiment (not, however much you would like, companies of the RGJ) - and therefore companies of a TA Bn in the Queens Div - you will face the same fate as the rest of us.
 
#9
London_Jock said:
I hate to point it out guys, but the paper says the new large Regs that the TA become integrated with will be single cap badge - and since you are companies of the London Regiment (not, however much you would like, companies of the RGJ) - and therefore companies of a TA Bn in the Queens Div - you will face the same fate as the rest of us.
I refer the honourable gentleman for Scotland (South) to my first post on this thread.

Course, the humint could be dodgy but it was a pretty influential hum...
 
#10
Fine - but you are not RGJ companies, you are London Regiment companies! - in the same way that A Coy is not (unfortuantly) a Scots Div Coy any more, nor C Coy part of the RRF - so I would have thought that you will be treated exactly as any other London Reg company is going to be.
 
#12
London_Jock said:
I hate to point it out guys, but the paper says the new large Regs that the TA become integrated with will be single cap badge
As I understood it all the regular regiments will retain their individual cap badges under a larger parent regiment. A posting within a regiment would mean changing cap badge, stable belt, etc - I'd expect all Sgt/Officers mess to adopt a mix of mess kits.
If the TA units were to adopt a single cap badge I would presume it would be a new badge? (Too much infighting/bad feeling to make RGJ etc adopt another badge)
Here you find another problem, do you base the badge on:
1. New badge based on the 50's bde badges (Mercians, Anglians, Yorshire's etc)
2. Badge based on the current (regular regiment badges)
3. Badge based on the original volunteer regiments badges.

3 would be acceptable to all TA RGJ, as the majority of all the volunteer regiments were rifles. Every infantry coy I've been in originally had a rifle badge (inc the LI coys in Yorkshire - Yorkshire Rifle Volunteers!).
 
#13
Agreed there are only 2 Queens Div coys by capbadge, but as the 6 Coy London Reg - which like it or not, and regardless of capbadge - is what we are (at the moment!) we are regarded as a TA Bn of the Queens Div this is how we are entered on the Army List and how we will be treated.

I think the LIR might object to being part of the Light Div too - we have Rifles in our name - LSRV - (and are proud of it) - but it doesn't make us Light Div.

I guess it is going to be a wait and see thing, but I'm pretty sure that if 2 LONDONS is formed it will be a pretty even mix of companies - and worst case all wearing one cap badge (and it won't any of our present ones :cry: )


edited - too many regards!
 
#14
Polar - yes I hope we can keep our badges, but the CGS's notes do specifically say single cap badge Regiments, which the TA will be incorporated into as far as possible
 
#15

One of the more famous members of the Royal Flying Corps or Sherwood Foresters. Capt Albert Ball VC

But if you look closely he's wearing a Rifle badge
(1/7th Bn (Robin Hood Rifles) Sherwood Foresters, RFC attached)
 
#16
In London you had units such as the Civil Service Rifles (15 Bn Londons), and the Post Office Rifles (7/8 Londons) - which have very distinguished histories. 9th Bn Londons were the Queen Victoria Rifles, based at Davies St - now one of the RGJ Coy locations. There is certainly history and precedent there.
 
#17
14 of the original 26 london Regt Bns marched at a rifles pace - six of them ended up in 4 RGJ

5 (LRB) - C Coy 4 RGJ
9 (QVR) - HQ Coy
12 (Rangers) A Coy
15 (QWR) B Coy
16 (CSR) B Coy
17 (THR) Sp Coy

7th, 8th, 10th, 11th, 14th, 18th, 19th and 28th were also light - three of them live on - 14th (London Scottish) and 18th (London Irish Rifles) in the Londons and 28th (artists rifles) as 21SAS(V)
 
#18
[quote="polar

Kings& Cheshire Regt (both Prince of Wales Div[/quote]

Wrong. One Kings Div, one POW Div, worrying those in both Regts as there exists the precedent for X Div amalgamation.
 
#19
I think we are in danger of getting hung up on semantics here.
Being integrated into a large regiment could just as easily mean going back to the large regiment from whence the RGJ companies came.
I think that the gist of the WP is that the large regiments of the sixties are the right pattern and that anyone who isn't already in a large regiment will soon be in one.
Anyway, my original post was, as I have said, based on humint, not SWAG (scientific wild-arrsed guessing). :roll:
 
#20
rabid spaniel said:
Wrong. One Kings Div, one POW Div, worrying those in both Regts as there exists the precedent for X Div amalgamation.
Soz but according to the army this regiment is in the POW Div (it ignores cap badges). Same as the London Regt RGJ they are in the Queens Div

p.s. Your likely to join the Mercian Regt (if you've got Cheshires and Staffs in ur Bn?)
 

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