Ok love 'em or loath 'em lets face it they are here to stay and we all have to cough up for them at some point. However I have a question from a group of people myself included. In 2004 those of us that were posted away from a Signals unit in Aldershot (the one that is still there ) were told point blank by our Troop S/Sgt that he would not sign our clearance chits without us all paying up todate on our Sqn/Tp funds. That part is fair enough as I said unfortunatly we all end up paying them. Our question refers to this next part. We were also told we had to pay into our leaving present fund which forms part of the Sqn/Tp funds. Over the 3 or more years that we were there excluding Operations/Overseas Exercise that ammounted to approx Â£50 per person. We were also told that we could no longer do the old brown envelope collection from amongst the lads as he was going to collect Â£1 from all members of the Troop to go towards a leaving present which was collected in with ruthless efficiency. Come leaving do, where's the leaving gifts? "There isn't one, hasn't had time to collect one and it will be forwarded to next unit." One year on and we are pretty much all still in touch with one another and not one of us has recieved any refund or gift. A couple have got in touch but have just been brushed off. I know some may think that this sounds like a bit of a bleat and may think didums get on with it and move on. Fair enough if it turns out we don't have a leg to stand on I'm sure we can just bite the bullet and move on but with the ammount of money thats been collected in and with nothing to show that is a fair ammount of spondulicks someone is sitting on. Is there anyone who knows any paths that are open towards getting a refund or our long awaited bronze statues/pics or have we fallen foul of a scam and should just accept defeat humbly walk away?