I would lik to open a discussion on the above topic; Ar we missing the boat on formalised MM for SPS SNCOs? While we in the Corp are formally trained in specific Task/Role there seems to be a void in the formal training on how to effectivelly run an administration centre. The first question many may have asked when they put up their third was,"Where did all this paper come from?" I have the feeling that the Corps depends too much on the Individual's traits as a SNCO to grade him as an effective manager. We have a unique roll in the management chain that cannot be covered by an All Arms 'Fix bayonet and follow me lads', and while I think that the Rank Structure of Civil Servants and the Combat Estimate make for good bedtime reading I believe we should receive a formalised package to allow us to not only fully understand our positions and responsabilities within the office environment but give a chance to normalise the way we do business. With the forthcoming changes in our role (JPA,I Admin) I want to be able to provide my staff with the benefit of acredited management and to my superiors a service that is based (and graded) on recognised training and qualifications. In the Business Environment outside the wire great emphasis is placed on formalised training and recognised practices for their middle management and resources provided to allow for personal developement. I propose that the Corp recognise the need for this specific role training and allow for attendance at Workshops/Training Periods without having to use our SLC or ELC. Comment?