SPS Detachment Commanders

#1
Guys,

Just wondering if anyone has any particularly strong opinions on whether there really is a proper role within the SPS Detachment for the Dettie? Will the workbook help make the role more valid?

Any (sensible) suggestions about how this role could be improved would be appreciated!

Man up, soldier on!
 
#2
bancomat said:
Guys,

Just wondering if anyone has any particularly strong opinions on whether there really is a proper role within the SPS Detachment for the Dettie? Will the workbook help make the role more valid?

Any (sensible) suggestions about how this role could be improved would be appreciated!

Man up, soldier on!
Take your face for a shite. Stop digging you cunt.
 
#3
bancomat said:
Guys,

Just wondering if anyone has any particularly strong opinions on whether there really is a proper role within the SPS Detachment for the Dettie? Will the workbook help make the role more valid?

Any (sensible) suggestions about how this role could be improved would be appreciated!

Man up, soldier on!
No there isn't. Most of the ones I see (LE exempt) are basically RAO brew bitches organising AT that will never happen or PDR checks amoungst other irrelevant drivel. Personally, I would like to see Detties start to take a REAL interest in the welfare of the Det members. And I don't mean, "you need this course I've booked you on it" or "I need to inspect your PDR, bring it down here at 1200hrs today."

I mean a genuine interest in his guys. Get to know them, get to know what's making them tick, be their voice to the Heirarchy. A Padre of the Clerks if you will. God knows, the Corps needs one!
 
#4
How about being a manager so the RAO can get on with Golf, Rugby, football and other important stuff.

Ubique
 
#5
The Det Commander in my experience (unless LE) are always about as much use as a chocolate fire guard, I had one who was always away on Adv Trg themselves and sod the guys on the ground. Scrap the Det Comd as a 2Lt and make the post for a WO1 who knows the score and stands up for the guys.
 
#6
dumbstruck said:
The Det Commander in my experience (unless LE) are always about as much use as a chocolate fire guard, I had one who was always away on Adv Trg themselves and sod the guys on the ground. Scrap the Det Comd as a 2Lt and make the post for a WO1 who knows the score and stands up for the guys.
Why a WO1?
 

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#7
soprano54 said:
dumbstruck said:
The Det Commander in my experience (unless LE) are always about as much use as a chocolate fire guard, I had one who was always away on Adv Trg themselves and sod the guys on the ground. Scrap the Det Comd as a 2Lt and make the post for a WO1 who knows the score and stands up for the guys.
Why a WO1?
Jobs for the boys!
 
#8
B_AND_T said:
soprano54 said:
dumbstruck said:
The Det Commander in my experience (unless LE) are always about as much use as a chocolate fire guard, I had one who was always away on Adv Trg themselves and sod the guys on the ground. Scrap the Det Comd as a 2Lt and make the post for a WO1 who knows the score and stands up for the guys.
Why a WO1?
Jobs for the boys!
Yeah I thought that might be the case! :roll:
 
#9
The study which was carried out in 1993? originally didn't have a Det Cmdr in it as that person was down on paper as another Cpl doing a real job of work. The Det Cmdr only came about as a career progression for the junior officers in the Corps and he/she was given all the shite jobs which the powers-that-be didn't want the RAO doing.

IMHO, I agree with previous mails saying that they don't do the job properly, rather sorting out their own careers and social life before the welfare of the troops. There are good ones when I was serving but generally, a good RAOWO would get the job done better.

:eek:
 
#10
Why not just scrap the AGC and go back to the good old days when each unit had its own clerks that looked after their particular unit. They knew each and every person and you could vet anybody who wished to become a clerk and so you would very rarely get a crap one. The staff jobs should be done by Regimental Clerks to get a taste of the Staff world.
 

B_AND_T

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#11
dumbstruck said:
Why not just scrap the AGC and go back to the good old days when each unit had its own clerks that looked after their particular unit. They knew each and every person and you could vet anybody who wished to become a clerk and so you would very rarely get a crap one. The staff jobs should be done by Regimental Clerks to get a taste of the Staff world.
Have to agree with you there DS.

I can see some logic of having a WO2 or WO1 in the post. When I first joined and found myself posted to 4RTR The CC was a figure head. Someone you could go to and know you would have his backing.

Nowadays your lucky to find the Det Comd.
 
#12
B_AND_T said:
dumbstruck said:
Why not just scrap the AGC and go back to the good old days when each unit had its own clerks that looked after their particular unit. They knew each and every person and you could vet anybody who wished to become a clerk and so you would very rarely get a crap one. The staff jobs should be done by Regimental Clerks to get a taste of the Staff world.
Have to agree with you there DS.

I can see some logic of having a WO2 or WO1 in the post. When I first joined and found myself posted to 4RTR The CC was a figure head. Someone you could go to and know you would have his backing.

Nowadays your lucky to find the Det Comd.
In the winter months try the local ski slopes and during the summer they could be anywhere as long as it is not at work. Thinking back on it when I first became a clerk in the Engineers we only had a CC and a WO1 who used to work directly with the CO & Adjt, there was also an Asst Adjt who was always a WRAC officer. The pay side of life was run by the RAPC everything ran like clockwork, there was also no decentralisation. I wish I could meet the person who thought it would be a good idea to change how the admin in the Army was carried out. How many people who were clerks before the AGC would go back to the old days.
 

B_AND_T

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#13
Me!!!
 
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#14
dumbstruck said:
B_AND_T said:
dumbstruck said:
Why not just scrap the AGC and go back to the good old days when each unit had its own clerks that looked after their particular unit. They knew each and every person and you could vet anybody who wished to become a clerk and so you would very rarely get a crap one. The staff jobs should be done by Regimental Clerks to get a taste of the Staff world.
Have to agree with you there DS.

I can see some logic of having a WO2 or WO1 in the post. When I first joined and found myself posted to 4RTR The CC was a figure head. Someone you could go to and know you would have his backing.

Nowadays your lucky to find the Det Comd.
In the winter months try the local ski slopes and during the summer they could be anywhere as long as it is not at work. Thinking back on it when I first became a clerk in the Engineers we only had a CC and a WO1 who used to work directly with the CO & Adjt, there was also an Asst Adjt who was always a WRAC officer. The pay side of life was run by the RAPC everything ran like clockwork, there was also no decentralisation. I wish I could meet the person who thought it would be a good idea to change how the admin in the Army was carried out. How many people who were clerks before the AGC would go back to the old days.
When male clerks didn't have to wear tights.
 
#15
Biscuits_AB said:
dumbstruck said:
B_AND_T said:
dumbstruck said:
Why not just scrap the AGC and go back to the good old days when each unit had its own clerks that looked after their particular unit. They knew each and every person and you could vet anybody who wished to become a clerk and so you would very rarely get a crap one. The staff jobs should be done by Regimental Clerks to get a taste of the Staff world.
Have to agree with you there DS.

I can see some logic of having a WO2 or WO1 in the post. When I first joined and found myself posted to 4RTR The CC was a figure head. Someone you could go to and know you would have his backing.

Nowadays your lucky to find the Det Comd.
In the winter months try the local ski slopes and during the summer they could be anywhere as long as it is not at work. Thinking back on it when I first became a clerk in the Engineers we only had a CC and a WO1 who used to work directly with the CO & Adjt, there was also an Asst Adjt who was always a WRAC officer. The pay side of life was run by the RAPC everything ran like clockwork, there was also no decentralisation. I wish I could meet the person who thought it would be a good idea to change how the admin in the Army was carried out. How many people who were clerks before the AGC would go back to the old days.
When male clerks didn't have to wear tights.
And the most important aspect of losing the AGC would be that we would no longer have the AGC(RMP) as they are about as much use as an RMP patrol just driving around and visiting MacDonalds, on that subject the other day I was in a MacDonald's and an RMP patrol came in and one asked for a cheese burger without cheese, seems to sum them up. What use is the RMP anyway
 

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#16
They make the SPS look good.
 
#17
Det Comds are often misused by the unit or the incumbent knows it is a non-job so just occupies themselves with whatever else is going on in the unit - adv trg, ents committee etc, etc,.....

I think the post should only last 12 months maximum. In that time they should deputise for everyone within the Det to get a feel for what the guys actually do, so when they become an RAO they actually know what they are talking about. (I am obviously referring to DE Offrs - LE's should move straight into RAO slots).

They should start at Coy level for a couple of weeks at least - let the JNCO who normally does the job get some extra leave in or do adventure training without having to come back to a full desk. A month at least should be spent in the Regt Acct office, mess bills, balance the stock sheets, end of month procedures etc, etc. Another month as FSA and then after being in a unit for 6 months or so cover the RAO desk. As a swan-song organise the best adventure training package the Det has ever had the pleasure of attending to show the person can actually organise something and then move on. (I acknowledge that the adventure training could only be over a weekend as there is no way on earth you could get a whole det out of camp for a full week!!!).

Basically make the Det Comd roll an educational stepping stone for young officers, I know they and the rest of us would benefit in the long run.

Just a thought.
 
#18
Ronkey said:
Det Comds are often misused by the unit or the incumbent knows it is a non-job so just occupies themselves with whatever else is going on in the unit - adv trg, ents committee etc, etc,.....

I think the post should only last 12 months maximum. In that time they should deputise for everyone within the Det to get a feel for what the guys actually do, so when they become an RAO they actually know what they are talking about. (I am obviously referring to DE Offrs - LE's should move straight into RAO slots).

They should start at Coy level for a couple of weeks at least - let the JNCO who normally does the job get some extra leave in or do adventure training without having to come back to a full desk. A month at least should be spent in the Regt Acct office, mess bills, balance the stock sheets, end of month procedures etc, etc. Another month as FSA and then after being in a unit for 6 months or so cover the RAO desk. As a swan-song organise the best adventure training package the Det has ever had the pleasure of attending to show the person can actually organise something and then move on. (I acknowledge that the adventure training could only be over a weekend as there is no way on earth you could get a whole det out of camp for a full week!!!).

Basically make the Det Comd roll an educational stepping stone for young officers, I know they and the rest of us would benefit in the long run.

Just a thought.

An Outstanding idea!!!!!


A shame it will never happen.
 

B_AND_T

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#19
A nice idea, it could also work for RAO's (especially LE's) who have spent their career doing Fin. There are other aspects to the job!!!
 
#20
Not forgetting those RAO's who have decided to transfer in from other cap badges and have not got a clue about administration. Imagine having a new RAO recently transferred in from another cap badge and a wet behind the ears young Det Comd, the RAOWO will be a busy person. No doubt an ex RMP will decide to have their say in this matter, probably call us all Maureens and ask us if we like wearing skirts, boy I really find them very tiresome and extremley boring.
 

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