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I've got an old tipper trailer on the farm. It's farm built (some bits of RSJ and a lorry axle) a long time ago by persons unknown.

It has split rim wheels, but not with a locking ring - they are the old type with what looks like two rings of wheelnuts.
Recent events got me thinking about the age and origins:

Was this ever used outside of military vehicles?
When did it go out of fashion (especially in the civilian world)?

The recent event is a flat tyre, due to leak on the valve stem. The tyres have perished, and need replacing but are obsolete - if anyone knows of any 8.25 x 17 that still hold air, I have cash waiting.
I know this size tyre was fitted to some Bedford TK, but my trailer definitely doesn't have TK wheels. As far as fitting alternative wheels is concerned, can't go down in wheel diameter due to brake drums, and can't go up much in tyre diameter because there little clearance to the body (no springs fitted - axle attached to chassis directly - usual practice with small farm tippers).
 
I've got an old tipper trailer on the farm. It's farm built (some bits of RSJ and a lorry axle) a long time ago by persons unknown.

It has split rim wheels, but not with a locking ring - they are the old type with what looks like two rings of wheelnuts.
Recent events got me thinking about the age and origins:

Was this ever used outside of military vehicles?
When did it go out of fashion (especially in the civilian world)?

The recent event is a flat tyre, due to leak on the valve stem. The tyres have perished, and need replacing but are obsolete - if anyone knows of any 8.25 x 17 that still hold air, I have cash waiting.
I know this size tyre was fitted to some Bedford TK, but my trailer definitely doesn't have TK wheels. As far as fitting alternative wheels is concerned, can't go down in wheel diameter due to brake drums, and can't go up much in tyre diameter because there little clearance to the body (no springs fitted - axle attached to chassis directly - usual practice with small farm tippers).

Auction the trailer off on the classic tractor type forums and buy a new one, or construct a new one using modern materials.

Edit to increase value advertise as used in WW1/WW2 by Them etc or the 'Armoured Farmers'.
 
I've got an old tipper trailer on the farm. It's farm built (some bits of RSJ and a lorry axle) a long time ago by persons unknown.

It has split rim wheels, but not with a locking ring - they are the old type with what looks like two rings of wheelnuts.
Recent events got me thinking about the age and origins:

Was this ever used outside of military vehicles?
When did it go out of fashion (especially in the civilian world)?

The recent event is a flat tyre, due to leak on the valve stem. The tyres have perished, and need replacing but are obsolete - if anyone knows of any 8.25 x 17 that still hold air, I have cash waiting.
I know this size tyre was fitted to some Bedford TK, but my trailer definitely doesn't have TK wheels. As far as fitting alternative wheels is concerned, can't go down in wheel diameter due to brake drums, and can't go up much in tyre diameter because there little clearance to the body (no springs fitted - axle attached to chassis directly - usual practice with small farm tippers).
Could you possibly post a photo of the rims, curious to see if they’re the same as mine.
 
I've got an old tipper trailer on the farm. It's farm built (some bits of RSJ and a lorry axle) a long time ago by persons unknown.

It has split rim wheels, but not with a locking ring - they are the old type with what looks like two rings of wheelnuts.
Recent events got me thinking about the age and origins:

Was this ever used outside of military vehicles?
When did it go out of fashion (especially in the civilian world)?

The recent event is a flat tyre, due to leak on the valve stem. The tyres have perished, and need replacing but are obsolete - if anyone knows of any 8.25 x 17 that still hold air, I have cash waiting.
I know this size tyre was fitted to some Bedford TK, but my trailer definitely doesn't have TK wheels. As far as fitting alternative wheels is concerned, can't go down in wheel diameter due to brake drums, and can't go up much in tyre diameter because there little clearance to the body (no springs fitted - axle attached to chassis directly - usual practice with small farm tippers).
Have a chat with these chaps.
 

OneTenner

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Split rims are popular with offroaders, the locking ring means you can drop the pressures very low for traversing soft sand etc. without the tyre coming off the rim.
I think Unimog use them in conjunction with their cab controlled tyre inflator / deflator system.
 
Having lived and worked on farms until I joined up as a Junior (in the 70's), the words, just before hay making, 'GO GET THE OLD TRAILER FROM THE BOTTOM FIELD' would bring me out in a cold sweat.

The trailer been laid up (well really dumped) over the winter since the last hay making season. No maintenance, no love, no care, covered in farm yard junk etc etc.

Due to being an old relic, been on the farm since Noah was a boy and nobody took ownership of the thing, it was junk on 4 wheels and only could be towed with the old Grey Fergie which was nearly as old but useful as it had the bucket on the front.

Get the Fergie started was a bit hit and miss, mess it up a few times then the batteries would need charging or giving it a tow to bump start it.

Once up and running(ish), lots of black smoke, piston rings gone, burning oil etc and down to the bottom field with a load of tool's, grease gun, foot pump, jacks, nails, thick plywood/planks/wooden blocks and most importantly the tractor hitch towing pin.

Pull the old trailer out from where it was dumped the last time and spend best part of the day getting the tyres to hold air, wheels to turn, repair the trailer bed etc, Then attempt to tow it to the yard so that it could be inspected properly.

Out come the welder's, look around the yard for any scrap steel sheet to repair the frame etc and about a week later it's good to go, (sort of).

Same old comments (as for at least the last 5 years plus) passed by the Boss, 'We will make it last this year and cut it up and bin it once the hay making is finished. It's not to go down the bottom field again, we spend too much time and money sorting it out etc etc.

Hay making season end's, 'Go take that old trailer back down the bottom field and load all the old crap lying around the yard on it'.

BUT says I, I thought it was being cut up and binned.

YOU WHAT!!!!! shouts the Boss, 'Do you think I am made of money!!!!, all the time and effort we put into getting it back into use', 'MONEY DON'T GROW ON TREE'S ETC ETC, IT WILL LAST ANOTHER 10 YEARS, YOUTH OF TODAY!!!'.

And so the saga continued.
 
Having lived and worked on farms until I joined up as a Junior (in the 70's), the words, just before hay making, 'GO GET THE OLD TRAILER FROM THE BOTTOM FIELD' would bring me out in a cold sweat.

The trailer been laid up (well really dumped) over the winter since the last hay making season. No maintenance, no love, no care, covered in farm yard junk etc etc.

Due to being an old relic, been on the farm since Noah was a boy and nobody took ownership of the thing, it was junk on 4 wheels and only could be towed with the old Grey Fergie which was nearly as old but useful as it had the bucket on the front.

Get the Fergie started was a bit hit and miss, mess it up a few times then the batteries would need charging or giving it a tow to bump start it.

Once up and running(ish), lots of black smoke, piston rings gone, burning oil etc and down to the bottom field with a load of tool's, grease gun, foot pump, jacks, nails, thick plywood/planks/wooden blocks and most importantly the tractor hitch towing pin.

Pull the old trailer out from where it was dumped the last time and spend best part of the day getting the tyres to hold air, wheels to turn, repair the trailer bed etc, Then attempt to tow it to the yard so that it could be inspected properly.

Out come the welder's, look around the yard for any scrap steel sheet to repair the frame etc and about a week later it's good to go, (sort of).

Same old comments (as for at least the last 5 years plus) passed by the Boss, 'We will make it last this year and cut it up and bin it once the hay making is finished. It's not to go down the bottom field again, we spend too much time and money sorting it out etc etc.

Hay making season end's, 'Go take that old trailer back down the bottom field and load all the old crap lying around the yard on it'.

BUT says I, I thought it was being cut up and binned.

YOU WHAT!!!!! shouts the Boss, 'Do you think I am made of money!!!!, all the time and effort we put into getting it back into use', 'MONEY DON'T GROW ON TREE'S ETC ETC, IT WILL LAST ANOTHER 10 YEARS, YOUTH OF TODAY!!!'.

And so the saga continued.
Been there done that. I had 2 uncles who farmed and lived in the same village on the Yorkshire Wolds, as a young teenager(early 1960's) I would spend the long summer school holidays with one of them. One of them had a retired carthorse living his last years out eating and sleeping pastured with the sheep, except once a year when the Damson crop was ready for harvest. About 2 weeks prior this a relic of a trailer would be de-weeded from where it had been stored, almost completely renovated and the old horse harnessed upto it and he happilly plodded round the orchard as the crop was picked. End of the week the trailer was semi dumped until the next year.
 

RBMK

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Sounds like half the trailers used round here being dragged around the village without lights or brakes....
 

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RBMK

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It might be easier to nip down to the local scrappy and get another axle with more modern sized tyres on it.

There are plenty of scrap trailers around to get bits off.


 
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Thanks for the suggestions chaps, but I've solved the problem.
This beauty arriving next week.
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Not sure whether to ebay or scrap the old one. It's pretty heavy, might fetch more as scrap!
Are you asking JB to leave the tractor on the front of it?
Great start for a 'Tractor Porn' thread.
@DB216LOKDVR ,
Your excellent recollections are still a real and living thing in certain (ahem) corners of the countryside!
There's a good un in a farm sale next week, but it'll have to be bloody cheap to necessitate retiring our worst BR scammell!
 
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Are you asking JB to leave the tractor on the front of it?
Great start for a 'Tractor Porn' thread.
@DB216LOKDVR ,
Your excellent recollections are still a real and living thing in certain (ahem) corners of the countryside!
There's a good un in a farm sale next week, but it'll have to be bloody cheap to necessitate retiring our worst BR scammell!
I’ve a question are farm sales these days online or attend in person?
 
I’ve a question are farm sales these days online or attend in person?
Online, but the two in our district are within a few miles of each other, so can still have the pleasure of tyre kicking, just no communal moaning..
"How bad t'job/ t'weather is"

With the feckin wind we've had the last few days, all virus will be back in Wuhan by now!
 

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