Speeding with Weapons?

#1
Recently I was driving as escort for a vehicle carrying weapons on the way in the ranges.

I was unfamiliar with the route being taken as the lead vehicle had deviated from the normal "mil" route and he got "flashed by a speed camera doing 35 in a 30.

As I busy doing the usual looking 360 whilst covering the vehicle in frt I think I may of got flashed too?

Is there anyway i can use this as a get out of jail card?
 
#2
Nope. MT Orders pretty much covers this.

If you tried the defence that you didn't notice our speed because you were too busy 'scanning for bad guys' you'd be admitting to driving without due care and consideration.

Damed if you do and damed if you don't.

Obviously if you were a traffic copper doing 140mph on the motorway you'd escape a ban due to it being 'training'. :roll:
 
#3
TheHelpfulStacker said:
Nope. MT Orders pretty much covers this.

If you tried the defence that you didn't notice our speed because you were too busy 'scanning for bad guys' you'd be admitting to driving without due care and consideration.

Damed if you do and damed if you don't.

Obviously if you were a traffic copper doing 140mph on the motorway you'd escape a ban due to it being 'training'. :roll:
Oh well! Bite the bullet!

I have moved Badges since.... What's the chances of the nice Mr Moto saying, oh well can't be bothered with this?

Not much I'm guessing... £30 fine please! And 3 points
 
#4
Were you not two-up? It is very poor practise to expect a solo escort to be able to drive and maintain effective obs.
 
#5
Very little chance of any comeback from it, a lot of the speed cameras don't even have film in or it has run out etc. but will still flash, I wonder if there is a website with actual statistics on this?
 
#6
sandmanfez said:
Were you not two-up? It is very poor practise to expect a solo escort to be able to drive and maintain effective obs.
My OC was reading his morning paper in the back....

BTW,

Strange thing was, it was a Rear facing type gatso that flashed from the other side of the road?

Maybe it got something going the other way?
 
#7
Now this is a long shot but bear with me.

I heard of an instance in which an RAF radar tech was flashed. Knowing a little bit about radars and being sure he was in the right he had a look at the kit involved and used successfully as a defence the fact that wheels on vehicles will give radar returns that are unrepresentative of the ground speed of the vehicle. I believe that JSTARS and other ground radars use the principle for identifying armour and other vehicles.

Since hearing this I believe I've seen the effect in person. For those of you who know Woolwich I was approaching the pair of cameras by the Academy from the direction of Shooters Hill. Before I reached the camera on my side of the road a motorbike passed through the camera on the opposite side, and didn't trigger it. However the camera on my side of the road flashed, with no vehicles what so ever going through it's 'beaten zone'. My assumption is a return from the bikes big alloy spokes, since they were travelling in the opposite direction to the bike, but in the same direction that the camera which responded was covering.

So perhaps that's what you've done?
 
#8
s_j, I know that piece of road very well & have seen what you've described happen on many occasions and the same on a piece of road heading out of Eltham.
 
#9
There is a Gatso near Stroud in Gloucestershire that if you approach it as just the right speed it will flash you although it takes no picture. This is bloody dnagerous as if you are not expecting and its late at night may frighten the crap out of you. Repoted to Glos Plod and was told "I dont think this happend Sir as it is impossible for it to be triggered by oncoming trafic".. Few days late a mates tells me he takes fun in timing it just right at said camera by tripping it as a car passes it thinking they have done it. Its mate down the road for a long time was set to trip at below 30 mph for 30mph zone.
 
#10
bibo_boy said:
My OC was reading his morning paper in the back....
Nice to know he takes these things seriously :roll: , no wonder you decided to re-badge.
 
#11
strut_jack said:
I was approaching the pair of cameras by the Academy from the direction of Shooters Hill. Before I reached the camera on my side of the road a motorbike passed through the camera on the opposite side, and didn't trigger it. However the camera on my side of the road flashed, with no vehicles what so ever going through it's 'beaten zone'. My assumption is a return from the bikes big alloy spokes, since they were travelling in the opposite direction to the bike, but in the same direction that the camera which responded was covering.
I bet you a crate of Guinness that the bikes spokes where travelling in the same direction as the bike !!! (unless he was wheelspinning?)


TTFN

BFG
 
#13
if anyone questions you for speeding with weapons in the back, just state that you drove at speed to reduce the risk of being stopped/cornered in by civilians, therefore, defending the weapons.

if anyone asks for clairfication offer them the question: would you rather i speed and save weapons, or not speed and have a bunch of gats in the hands of civvys?

you never know, they might buy it.
 
#15
bibo_boy said:
Strange thing was, it was a Rear facing type gatso that flashed from the other side of the road?

Maybe it got something going the other way?
If it was a normal GATSO (rear facing, normally grey) and not a TRUVELO (forward facing, normally dark blue and uses infra-red flash photography) then I don't believe that it can be used as evidence. The GATSO is only approved/calibrated for traffic on the correct side of the road, due to the angle of the radar sensor.

I seem to recall that if the GATSO is slightly off alignment (or taking pictures on the other side of the road), then the evidence is inadmissable - due to the physics of angles and calculating speeds (Cosine angles and stuff that I am not very good at explaining) etc.

I am happy to be corrected if anyone else believes that this is not the case.
 
#16
doomsayer said:
bibo_boy said:
Strange thing was, it was a Rear facing type gatso that flashed from the other side of the road?

Maybe it got something going the other way?
If it was a normal GATSO (rear facing, normally grey) and not a TRUVELO (forward facing, normally dark blue and uses infra-red flash photography) then I don't believe that it can be used as evidence. The GATSO is only approved/calibrated for traffic on the correct side of the road, due to the angle of the radar sensor.

I seem to recall that if the GATSO is slightly off alignment (or taking pictures on the other side of the road), then the evidence is inadmissable - due to the physics of angles and calculating speeds (Cosine angles and stuff that I am not very good at explaining) etc.

I am happy to be corrected if anyone else believes that this is not the case.
It was a normal gatso, not the frt facing blue/grey 2 lense jobies?

Anyway, wait out I guess!
 
#17
Strange thing was, it was a Rear facing type gatso that flashed from the other side of the road?

Maybe it got something going the other way?
I think what you've experienced is not uncommon. If you are the other side of the road and it flashed it might be that you've set it off but it can't see you. The GATSO has an element of peripheral "vision" that it's sensitive too but doesn't record.

I'm not a GATSO spotter, but I have seen them set off early in the morning in this manner. Speaking with a mate who is Traffikratten he told me that you can set off a GATSO sited to capture cars in the lane opposite yours, although you'll never get done.

Correct me if I'm barking up the wrong tree, but that's what I think you're talking about.

Lastly, I'm as sceptical about the speed camera issue as the next man, but generally speaking those in the 30MPH zones are there for a reason above and beyond revenue gathering. And if you really feel that your security role compromised your ability to drive and those three points are an issue, instruct a solicitor and go to court. Rolling those dice is your decision alone, but a magistrate might just see it your way.

Cheers

V!
 
#18
The radar effect you are on about is the DOPPLER Effect.

The change in the observed frequency and wavelength of a source of radiation resulting from its motion towards, or away from, the observer. If a source is approaching, the frequency of the radiation is increased (more wavecrests per second reach the observer than would be the case if the source were stationary relative to that observer) and its observed wavelength decreased.

or

because the return signal is being received faster than the 30mph model says it should It flashes.

I'll get my coat. :oops:
 
#19
My bike got flashed by a camera once but of course I was not riding it.

I had lent it to a friend of mine called Yulia whom I had befriended on the internet and she was backpacking across the world ... from the Ukraine, I did not have her address and as she tried to seduce my boyfriend I no longer talk to her ...

Outcome... Nil Point and Nil Fine.

And perfectly legal ... :wink: kind of ...
 
#20
Hang on a mo! If a GATSCO cannot scan a vehicle on the other side of the road? How does it manage on a Dual Carriageway?

There is one in Leeds that has two cameras in the same box, One faceing each way Up & Down the Dual Carriageways! Two lanes in both directions.....

Plus what if a car overtakes you at speed on the other side of a Single Carriageway? He must trigger the camara?

Or am I reading the message wrong somehow?
 
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