Speed camera fight goes to Europe

#2
The Department for Transport said it would "vigorously" defend current laws
No surprise there, after all not only would it cost them a fortune in lost revenue, but to say anything else would be tantamount to saying the motorists are right and we are wrong.

The UK government does not accept this claim."
He's George Bushes best mate...and look what happened there!!

If the campaigners win...i want my money back!!
 
#3
Good points raised Bossyboots. This is the section that the Campaigners want reversing:

Where the driver of a vehicle is alleged to be guilty of an offence to which this section applies—
(a) the person keeping the vehicle shall give such information as to the identity of the driver as he may be required to give by or on behalf of a chief officer of police, and
(b) any other person shall if required as stated above give any information which it is in his power to give and may lead to identification of the driver.
 
#4
a) the person keeping the vehicle shall give such information as to the identity of the driver as he may be required to give by or on behalf of a chief officer of police, and
(b) any other person shall if required as stated above give any information which it is in his power to give and may lead to identification of the driver.
In other words, snitch on your mate / family.

How many of us drive our own and our spouses car? Myself and Mr Bossy do all the time. Just going to the shop, i'll take your car as its blocking mine in. My car is going to the garage tomorrow, i'll borrow yours for work if your not needing it. That sort of thing. Often in my case if Mr Bossy is away i'll use his just to keep it ticking over.
So when a summons lands on the mat, i'm supposed to know just who was driving what, where and when?
So you can either incriminate yourself, incriminate your OH or commit perjury....great!
 
#5
bossyboots said:
The Department for Transport said it would "vigorously" defend current laws
No surprise there, after all not only would it cost them a fortune in lost revenue, but to say anything else would be tantamount to saying the motorists are right and we are wrong.

The UK government does not accept this claim."
He's George Bushes best mate...and look what happened there!!

If the campaigners win...i want my money back!!
Seeing as the UK Government is supposedly signing away our rights to write our own laws surely there won't be anything the DoT can do to fight it?
 
#7
There will be no lost revenues, or anything of the like - a way will be found to continue the system with the points etc. going to the registered keeper unless THEY shop the real driver in self defence.
 
#8
cometcatcher said:
There will be no lost revenues, or anything of the like - a way will be found to continue the system with the points etc. going to the registered keeper unless THEY shop the real driver in self defence.
That wont stand up in any court! The European court of human rights prohibits the punishing of others in light of misdeeds of others (or to those words...)
 
#9
All you do good liberals should just shut up and pay up.

Just cos you all want to get away with speeding and not have to pay the cost.

If your partner/spouse was speeding and killed someone in your car would you do the time for them or would you let them do it themselves. If you lend your car to someone and they get caught speeding then THEY should pay for the crime. Simple.

This is human rights gone crazy.
 
#10
Sarge said:
All you do good liberals should just shut up and pay up.

Just cos you all want to get away with speeding and not have to pay the cost.

If your partner/spouse was speeding and killed someone in your car would you do the time for them or would you let them do it themselves. If you lend your car to someone and they get caught speeding then THEY should pay for the crime. Simple.

This is human rights gone crazy.
Its simple. Speed cameras shoul (as in Germany) take the picture from the front. Prosecutions should only proceed where the driver can be clearly identified. As with all other crimes, the job of the prosecution should be to provide the evidence.
 
#11
It just means that the Police will have to purchase forward facing cameras.

Sarge

Whilst I agree that if You do the deed You shouldn't whinge and pay up when asked, this matter goes deeper than this.

It is a basic tenet of English Law that everyone has the right to silence. If we lose the right in the regard of speed cameras then what is to stop a government of this ilk to decide that they can infringe upon it in other areas???
 
#12
If your partner/spouse was speeding and killed someone in your car would you do the time for them or would you let them do it themselves. If you lend your car to someone and they get caught speeding then THEY should pay for the crime. Simple.
if my partner/spouse was speeding i'd rather a traffic policeman was there to politely tell them so and perhaps issue a ticket or similar while using his brain as opposed to blindly issuing them with three points and a fine for 35 mph, or causing a crash anyway because they're too busy looking at their speedo or smashing on the brakes
 
#15
Keyboardwarrior said:
Its simple. Speed cameras shoul (as in Germany) take the picture from the front. Prosecutions should only proceed where the driver can be clearly identified. As with all other crimes, the job of the prosecution should be to provide the evidence.
...so all motorcyclists get a 'get out of jail free' card then?
 
#16
In my personal experience, the whole current system is open to corruption. Several years ago and late at night, I was 'waved over' from being stationary, at a red traffic light by a pair of coppers. Prior to this, I had moved a grand total of ~30 yards from a car park. They informed me that I was doing 14 mph over the limit, and one mph more and I'd have been making a court appearance (I had my handbrake on at the time, mind). When I asked to see the recording equipment (muniquip) it was safely locked in the boot of their Astra. I thought I'd have a fair chance contesting the case in court, however on the day I was successfully portrayed as a boy racer, who'd come tearing round a corner in a cloud of tyresmoke and that was that. Two coppers versus one civilian. Bloody brilliant system.

One officer was even pulling over further motorists whilst his colleague was demonstrating the hair drier on a brick wall.
 
#17
stickybomb said:
Keyboardwarrior said:
Its simple. Speed cameras shoul (as in Germany) take the picture from the front. Prosecutions should only proceed where the driver can be clearly identified. As with all other crimes, the job of the prosecution should be to provide the evidence.
...so all motorcyclists get a 'get out of jail free' card then?
Not always, my local cameras are swivel so they are turned quite often.
 
#18
Un-Friendly-Fire said:
If your partner/spouse was speeding and killed someone in your car would you do the time for them or would you let them do it themselves. If you lend your car to someone and they get caught speeding then THEY should pay for the crime. Simple.
if my partner/spouse was speeding i'd rather a traffic policeman was there to politely tell them so and perhaps issue a ticket or similar while using his brain as opposed to blindly issuing them with three points and a fine for 35 mph, or causing a crash anyway because they're too busy looking at their speedo or smashing on the brakes
It takes a mere 2 seconds to look at the speedometer and a further 4 seconds to understand that you are speeding, if you cant stay within the speed limit required then you should be re- tested and taught how to drive correctly. Looking at the speedo is no defence for speeding, if you weren't speeding in the first place you wouldn't need to worry about the speed cameras and therefore wouldn't need to stamp on the brakes so much!!!!!!!
 
#19
Mad_Moriarty said:
stickybomb said:
Keyboardwarrior said:
Its simple. Speed cameras shoul (as in Germany) take the picture from the front. Prosecutions should only proceed where the driver can be clearly identified. As with all other crimes, the job of the prosecution should be to provide the evidence.
...so all motorcyclists get a 'get out of jail free' card then?
Not always, my local cameras are swivel so they are turned quite often.
So they can positively identify a rider through the back of their crash helmet and their skull (see my bold)? I thought the front shot was asking a bit much, but hey..!
 
#20
stickybomb said:
Keyboardwarrior said:
Its simple. Speed cameras shoul (as in Germany) take the picture from the front. Prosecutions should only proceed where the driver can be clearly identified. As with all other crimes, the job of the prosecution should be to provide the evidence.
...so all motorcyclists get a 'get out of jail free' card then?
Have you noticed the amount of mud on their numberplates recently??

They already get away with it!!
 

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