Speech: The use of chemical weapons in Douma is an escalatory act.

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Thank you Mr President.

And I thank the SRSG and Mr Markram for their briefings. And I thank him and through him all the UN teams on the ground for the important but incredibly difficult work that they do. As Steffan de Mistura said, this is an important Security Council session. My government shares the outrage that other colleagues have adequately described today. It is truly horrific to think of victims, families sheltering underground when the chlorine found them.

Mr President, it’s the third time in five days that the Council has convened to discuss chemical weapons. This is dreadful in the true sense of that word. The Council should dread what we risk happening: that chemical weapons become a routine part of fighting. As a member of the P5, the UK believes that we have a particular responsibility to uphold the worldwide prohibition of the use of WMD. We agree with the Netherlands’ Ambassador that the P5 has specific responsibilities.

Mr President, I believe that four members of the P5 do believe this, but there is one who does not. The Russian Ambassador referred to a resurgence of the cold war. This is not the cold war, Mr President. In the cold war there was not this flagrant disregard for the prohibitions that are universal on the use of WMD.

Mr President, the SRSG also referred to the risks of escalation and to international peace and security more broadly. We share his fears but it is the Syrian government, and its backers Iran and Russia, who are prolonging the fighting and risking regional and wider instability. There are real questions, Mr President, about what is happening in the T4 airbase with its foreign fighters and its mercenaries.

Mr President, we have been challenged today by our Russian colleague to say why we believe the attack was carried out by Syria and why we believe even that chemical weapons were used. The reasons, Mr President are as follows: The Joint Investigative Mechanism between 2014 and 2017, found six uses of chemical weapons. Two, it ascribed to Daesh for the use of mustard gas. Three, it ascribed to the regime for the use of chlorine and one further use it ascribed to the Syrian regime for the use of sarin, and that is the attack we talked about in the Council just last week on Khan Sheikhoun and which led to the US strike, which we support, on al Shayrat. In addition as the French Ambassador said we have had reports of Russian and Syrian warnings before the CW attack took place and of a pattern of helicopters, MI8 HIP helicopters flying overhead and these are reports that have come from the ground, Mr President.

I have listened carefully to the Russian Ambassador’s arguments. As I have just set out, we as the United Kingdom, believe that the Syrian regime is responsible for these latest attacks but there is one way to settle this Mr President, and this is to have an independent fact-finding mission, followed by an independent investigation. As we all know the fact-finding missions are there to determine whether chemical weapons have been used and if they have been used, what sort of chemical weapons. But it is only investigation that can determine who is responsible for their use and therefore start the path to accountability. I was very interested to hear the Russian offer that OPCW fact-finding mission could visit and would have the protection of Russian forces. Mr President, I believe that this is an offer worth perusing but it would of course be necessary for the OPCW mission to have complete freedom of action and freedom of access. That still leaves us, Mr President, with the question of who committed these atrocities and that is why we support the US text for a resolution and why we believe there is no legitimate reason not to support the call for this Council to set up an independent investigative mechanism. As I said before, Mr President, we have nothing to hide but it appears that Russia, and Syria, and their supporter Iran, do have something to fear.

Mr President, the Russian Ambassador singled out the UK, along with the US and France for some criticism so I would like to return to that. The responsibility for the cruelty in Syria belongs to Syria and its backers in Russia and Iran. The use of chemical weapons is an escalatory and a diabolical act. What Russia is trying to do, it strikes me, Mr President, is to turn the debate in this Council away from a discussion of the use of CW into a dispute between East and West, presenting itself as the victim. It is far too important , Mr President, to play games with the politics between East and West in respect of chemical weapons. Russia’s crocodile tears for the people of Eastern Ghouta has an easy answer. It is to join us in a non-political attempt to get in humanitarian and protection workers from the UN to their job of looking after and mitigating the risk to civilians. Russia’s concern at attribution for the use of CW also has an easy answer, Mr President, it is to join us in allowing the UN to set up an international investigative mechanism to pursue who is responsible. And I repeat here the two demands of my French colleague and I hope we will be able to make progress.

Mr President, I had not intended to address the Skripal case in Salisbury. But because my Russian colleague has done so I will address it today. He asked what were the similarities between Salisbury and Syria. I think it’s important that I point out that the cases are different in the following respects. There is a thorough investigation underway in Salisbury. There is no investigation underway in Syria. The British Government in Salisbury is seeking to protects its people, as is its duty. The Syrian government, on the contrary, Mr President, again as we have heard today, attacks and gases its people. What the two do have in common though, and I am sorry to say, is Russia’s refusal to assume P5 responsibilities to prevent the use of WMD and its reckless support for the use of WMD by its agents and by its allies.

Mr President, it is not us who want to alienate Russia, she alienates herself by not joining in the vast majority of this Council who want to find a non-polemical way through and address the use of CW against civilians in Syria. The Russian Ambassador mentioned friends of the United States. Mr President, my government and our people are proud to be a friend of the United States. We stand with everybody on this Council who wants to find a way through the CW problem to have a proper fact finding mission and to have proper investigation as the first step to bringing this dreadful conflict to a close.

Thank you Mr President.

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A history of inventing int to sell war?
Especially the old, effective baby reference.
Haley at the UN-
On Monday, Haley accused Russia of supporting the attacks, saying Russia’s hands are “covered in the blood of Syrian children.” She urged the Security Council to take action.

POTUS- “When you kill innocent children, innocent babies, babies, little babies, with a chemical gas that is so lethal—people were shocked to hear what gas it was. That crosses many, many lines, beyond a red line, many, many lines.”

Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson said in February that Britain should consider joining military action against Assad’s regime if there is fresh ‘incontrovertible’ evidence he has used chemical weapons against his own people.


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Sounds a bit like this... different dead babies a few years ago.

It's a sure-fire method that is proven to get a national-population acquiescing and war moving along.

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Proof?
Why do you need proof?
Dead children are all the proof you need.
 
#7
I have listened carefully to the Russian Ambassador’s arguments. As I have just set out, we as the United Kingdom, believe that the Syrian regime is responsible for these latest attacks but there is one way to settle this Mr President, and this is to have an independent fact-finding mission, followed by an independent investigation. As we all know the fact-finding missions are there to determine whether chemical weapons have been used and if they have been used, what sort of chemical weapons.
But it is only investigation that can determine who is responsible for their use and therefore start the path to accountability. I was very interested to hear the Russian offer that OPCW fact-finding mission could visit and would have the protection of Russian forces. Mr President, I believe that this is an offer worth perusing but it would of course be necessary for the OPCW mission to have complete freedom of action and freedom of access.
So what is the problem? Let's send OPCW experts to the place of alleged CW attack and that's all.
 
#8
Another 'UK Pravda' thread being answered and the 'useful idiots' along with trolls following it.

If only RSS feeds were made 'read only' and linked to the relevant thread by anyone interested ................
 
#9
Another 'UK Pravda' thread being answered and the 'useful idiots'
Yes, here you are again.
If only RSS feeds were made 'read only' and linked to the relevant thread by anyone interested ................
If only, eh?
That way nobody could express a views against the obvious propaganda.

Theresa May says" the UK will 'work with our allies on any action necessary".

MOD_RSS is just doing HMG's bidding and giving a warning-order so nobody can be surprised when we join a new "coalition of the willing" against Syria, Iran, Russia........ China.

A spokesman said the full 'range of options' would be considered once an investigation into the attack was complete.
At a briefing in Westminster today, Mrs May's spokesman said the Government was clear those responsible 'must be held to account,' adding: 'We are swiftly working with our allies to agree a common position.'


So who's going to do the investigation?
OPCW with a purview not to speculate on the aggressor?
The UN that the Russians will veto?
Maybe they can get the White Helmets who fed the int in the first place to investigate?
We know all about them, don't we?
Completely free of any bias and destined to do very well out of the Syrian regime-change that's to come.....
If there's a Syria left at the end of it all.
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#10
Yes, here you are again.

If only, eh?
That way nobody could express a views against the obvious propaganda.
There's plenty of primary threads for you to spout your propaganda on. The problem imo is having multiple threads on the same subject e.g. what you are spouting on here is exactly the same that you are spouting on the relevant thread (Syria). I'm personally not a fan of 'UK Pravda'.

It's similar to you being banned (again) on the 'Critically ill' thread and then spouting the same drivel on the RSS Feed 'News Story on Salisbury' thread.'

Plenty of people like to use the phrase 'use the search function' and they do so for a reason.
 
#11
There's plenty of primary threads for you to spout your propaganda on. The problem imo is having multiple threads on the same subject e.g. what you are spouting on here is exactly the same that you are spouting on the relevant thread (Syria). I'm personally not a fan of 'UK Pravda'.

It's similar to you being banned (again) on the 'Critically ill' thread and then spouting the same drivel on the RSS Feed 'News Story on Salisbury' thread.'

Plenty of people like to use the phrase 'use the search function' and they do so for a reason.
Ditto but without the ban for you.
You are the handy little lap-dog who also like's to follow me around....On to different but similar threads.
Anyone would have thought we don't have the right to go where we please on arsch.
It's a free and 'robust' forum is it not?

Did you like the white helmets vid?
They're the one's that you're taking notice of with this most recent "CW event" that the US are going to bomb Syria for anyway.
Makes you feel proud to live in a free and democratic country doesn't it?

The psychopath politicians and the old farts from here should be first over the LOD and then everyone would be more than happy to sort this out peacefully and like grown-ups, eh?
 
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Ditto but without the ban for you.
You are the handy little lap-dog who also like's to follow me around....On to different but similar threads.
Anyone would have thought we don't have the right to go where we please on arsch.
It's a free and 'robust' forum is it not?

Did you like the white helmets vid?
They're the one's that you're taking notice of with this most recent "CW event" that the US are going to bomb Syria for anyway.
Makes you feel proud to live in a free and democratic country doesn't it?

The psychopath politicians and the old farts from here should be first over the LOD and then everyone would be more than happy to sort this out peacefully and like grown-ups, eh?
As before, you're not posting anything new, you're just regurgitating your propaganda on numerous threads. The 'UK Pravda' threads are exactly the same but being a RSS feed it's 'one way' ie they can't see your wibble.

Accordingly, we end up with numerous threads on the same subject. That's why people say 'use the search function'
 
#13
A history of inventing int to sell war?
Especially the old, effective baby reference.
Haley at the UN-
On Monday, Haley accused Russia of supporting the attacks, saying Russia’s hands are “covered in the blood of Syrian children.” She urged the Security Council to take action.

POTUS- “When you kill innocent children, innocent babies, babies, little babies, with a chemical gas that is so lethal—people were shocked to hear what gas it was. That crosses many, many lines, beyond a red line, many, many lines.”

Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson said in February that Britain should consider joining military action against Assad’s regime if there is fresh ‘incontrovertible’ evidence he has used chemical weapons against his own people.


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Sounds a bit like this... different dead babies a few years ago.

It's a sure-fire method that is proven to get a national-population acquiescing and war moving along.

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Proof?
Why do you need proof?
Dead children are all the proof you need.

Given that Kraut was in the habit of butchering children I'm not entirely sure what your point is supposed to be.
 
#14
Another 'UK Pravda' thread being answered and the 'useful idiots' along with trolls following it.

If only RSS feeds were made 'read only' and linked to the relevant thread by anyone interested ................
Why are you so nervous? Big deal. Some posters (even if you don't like them) post something that is not true from your point of view. Then use truth as a weapon. Show their falsehoods. Defend the Crown as a true knight.
 
#15
Why are you so nervous? Big deal. Some posters (even if you don't like them) post something that is not true from your point of view. Then use truth as a weapon. Show their falsehoods. Defend the Crown as a true knight.
Why on earth would you think I'm nervous? It's not like you post numerous threads, often with a stupid poll on them on subjects that are already contained in the primary threads is it?

It'd be nice if you answered the primary questions on the relevant thread. Have you asked and answered on those threads?
 
#16
Given that Kraut was in the habit of butchering children I'm not entirely sure what your point is supposed to be.
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Just for you, maybe you'll actually learn to recognise predictive-programming and propaganda when you see it.
You're probably well passes forty so there may be little hope for you if you can't even spot the obvious deceptive reasons for all the other wars that have started "because we need to save the civilians and children and babies" over the last 20yrs.
Propaganda and Censorship during the First World War. - ppt download

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#17
Pssst.... Did you know the Government post stories like this to see who responds, so they can track their IP address?

Stay safe - remember the three Cs:

Cut the cable from your keyboard
Cover the monitor in aluminum foil
Consume Brasso, Meths, or an industrial cleaning product

@BugsyIV has been notified.
 
#18
Why do you really think the UK has the most invasive e-surveillance in the world (IPA) as far as we know?
Just can't keep a handle on all the nasty players that they keep letting back into the UK from various theatres around the world where the UK is bombing civilians, women, children, babies etc though.
The UK politicians did vote for themselves to be exempted from the IPA though.
Nothing to hide, nothing to fear, wasn't it?
MPs just passed the most draconian spying laws ever. Guess who they made exempt
 
#19
On one hand use what you read to back up your fantasies, on the other you claim the same source is propaganda.

Spamming on here doesn't do anything, Arrse it quite a small and niche forum, but if it keeps you Russian Trolls engaged then bring it on.

In less than a week, Presidential buildings in Syria will be leveled and there is fk all you can do about it.
 
#20
I suppose I'll get issued all that new fandangled kit if it all goes tits up then.

Please tell me Boots Combat High are no longer issued?
 
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