SpecterOS 4X sight by ELCAN selected for UK MoD FIST

#1
http://www.elcan.com/ELCAN_News/Bulletins/UKMoDSole-SourceSupplier.html



This came out of the blue to some of us. Thought the Trijicon was a shoe in although this looks neater. Not sure about the windage and elevation drums although it would seem that they are just for zeroing, stadia lines being used for range variation as per Trijicon. Not clear whether the stadia lines are shoulder width as per Trijicon which does seem to be a good idea for quickly getting the range.

What is noteworthy is the lack of a miniature red-dot CQB sight on the top of the unit. The mini red dot strikes me as one of the greatest innovations in snap shooting as well as providing a back up sight.

So, this appears to be the future, anyone got hands on yet?
 
#3
First question that came to mind is 'Why?'

ACOG's work perfectly well and seem to be much liked by all who've used them. This another cost cutting exercise at the expense of capability? Anyone got any prices for one of these compared to an ACOG?
 
#4
how can you put a price on the ability to hit a cows arse as opposed to not being able to hit a cows arse.
 
#5
therealbigdizzle said:
how can you put a price on the ability to hit a cows arse as opposed to not being able to hit a cows arse.
Quite simply. Does this really represent an improvement over the previous SUSAT? It's field of view is narrower (115.5 mils against 177 mils) but its doesn't give an improvment in power, 4X as opposed to 4x...

I believe this has appeared before and a link to a yank forum was posted where it's readers panned it's stablitly, claiming that the method of attachment give it a massive MOA.....

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=277494

Found it for you.

Best quote

"Most of the sights have the typical Elcan crappy mount shift of 2-3MOA. Then add in the ARMS mount loses its tension when moved from gun to gun or off and on a lot. Add in the magnifier shift causes zeor shift..."
 
#6
Seems a lot smoother than ACOG with a red-dot sight - maybe its something to do with snagging? Although the idea of a back up sight does sound like a good idea.
 
#7
Surprise surprise, it sound like once again we're buying something that is so obviously the wrong thing, I don't know how they manage to do it.
 
#8
I was under the impression tht the one we had purchased was able to change between x1 (parallax free) and x4 at the flick of a lever - hence, no need for tiny CQB red dot sight above. Some US personnel i saw recently had this, and they thought it was a good piece of kit. Interestingly, the ELCAN website specifies a Mi-Std 1913 rail as being required to mount the sight (as with the ACOG)....so i wonder if they've modified the sight to fit our "NATO standard" rail in the same snag-happy, shite-looking manner as with the ACOG...
 
#9
does make you wonder that you need a tool to adjust the windage but you can just pull a lever to dismount it.......
 
#10
You can get an idea what it will be like to use with this little demo:

[flash width=680 height=400]http://www.elcan.com/ELCAN_Business_Areas/Sighting_Systems/Products/Day_Sights/dr_demo.swf[/flash]
 
#11
Field of view is not as wide at 4X compared with SUSAT if these figures are correct:

Wikipedia said:
SUSAT L9A1

* Length: 145 mm
* Height: 55 mm
* Width: 60 mm
* Weight: 417 gram
* Magnification: 4x
* Entry eyepiece: 25,5 mm
* Exit eyepiece: 6,0 mm
* Field of vision: 10 degrees
* Eye distance: 25 mm
* Light permeability: >80%
* Illumination: Red tritium, glass ampoule
* Illumination strength: Adjustable
* Tritium ampoule lifetime: 8 - 12 years
* Focus: -0.75 to -1.25 dioptres
* Operational temperature: -46 to +71 °C
 
#12
Gun_Nut said:
You can get an idea what it will be like to use with this little demo:

[flash width=680 height=400]http://www.elcan.com/ELCAN_Business_Areas/Sighting_Systems/Products/Day_Sights/dr_demo.swf[/flash]
Is this the model that's been selected. This is the Specter Dual Role. It states that the Specter OS4 has been selected doesn't it?
 
#13
It is going to be the fixed magnification one then is it because the dual role was a great idea I thought.It has nice emergency iron sights on top and just having the x1/x4 settings is better than having gradual adjustment like on the Schmidt and Bender Short Dot.Two simple options at the the flick of a lever,up close and anything else.The emergency sights on top are also much better quality than on the Canadians' Elcans which are just made of the same hard rubber as the coating and even wear off over time.They are cheaper than ACOG's I'd reckon,not many optics aren't cheaper than ACOG's.
 
#14
As I said in another thread somewhere, whilst out and about I saw a guy on stag with one of these and what looked like holo type sight on top.
 
#15
As I said in another thread somewhere, whilst out and about I saw a guy on stag with one of these and what looked like holo type sight on top.
Having had a play with one I can confirm that they come with a gucci holographic style red dot sight mounted on top. Which is also battery powered.
I have only used an ACOG once, briefly on a range, so can't profess any preference.
 
#16
Surprise surprise, it sound like once again we're buying something that is so obviously the wrong thing, I don't know how they manage to do it.
Just out of interest, what makes you say that?

I'm not having a dig, just asking.
 
#17
Just out of interest, what makes you say that?

I'm not having a dig, just asking.
Its a 3 year old ( nearly ) so wouldn't expect an answer too quickly
 
#18
here is a look at what it the new set up is going to be:
 

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#19
Guys the Specter sight is good - the Grat Pattern is simple and allows for vertical and lateral movement i.e tracking a moving target or comming up onto a target well and is clear and a big improvement on the SUSAT. I've been firing one on the range for about 3 weeks now and have had no problems with it - they retial at about £1000 each for the spec the Army have - ie standard 4x Mag and red dot on top. 15mil clicks at 100 allow u to zero it at 300 as accurately as you can 'officially' zero the SUSAT at 100m.

The reason we aren't getting ACOG is they cant meet the demand of the field army int he time frame reqd and lost the contract. Simples.

I like if for what its worth but the eye relief - i.e. normal scope rather then susat takes some getting used to

PM me for any more info - and nothing i've said above isn't available from open sources anyway.
 

daywalker

LE
Kit Reviewer
#20
A bloke i spoke to from Specter couldn't work out why we bought the version we did as they offered a better version, and zeroing has gone from being really easy with the ACOG to over complicated like the SUSAT ( in the way that you have to start pissing around with opposite screws for the left and right correction ).
 

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