Specialist Reserve - 77 Bde

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LE
Genuine questions:

1: Why?
Because civilians without soldiering skills are available from the Civil Service or contractors (or in extremis the RAF).

2: Do you consider it more important to have a broadcast communications specialst* who is ALSO a soldier 'with the same basic soldiering skills' as everyone else even if that means you only run at 50% strength?

* or any other number of weird 'information warfare' type roles that involves nerds and such sat on the net or making videos.
See above. If they don't need soldiering skills they don't need to be in the Army.
 
Because civilians without soldiering skills are available from the Civil Service or contractors (or in extremis the RAF).
; )

See above. If they don't need soldiering skills they don't need to be in the Army.
Well that was what I said!

Make them civilian roles and cut out what I think is one of the biggest barriers to filling the posts - the need to be 'soldiers first' as the people you want (white hat hackers, graphic designers, video editors, marketing professionals etc) typically aren't interested nor (after years sat in comfy offices) cut out to be soldiers.

BUT, I didn't organise the 6th Division and as it stands they want reservists to fill these roles, which I think is a conflicting priority. So either make them civilian, reduce the 'soldiering' aspect or work at half strength.
 

Just_plain_you

War Hero
BUT, I didn't organise the 6th Division and as it stands they want reservists to fill these roles, which I think is a conflicting priority. So either make them civilian, reduce the 'soldiering' aspect or work at half strength.
Try joining the army before you tell GOC 6 Div how he should run it.
 
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Well that was what I said!

Make them civilian roles and cut out what I think is one of the biggest barriers to filling the posts - the need to be 'soldiers first' as the people you want (white hat hackers, graphic designers, video editors, marketing professionals etc) typically aren't interested nor (after years sat in comfy offices) cut out to be soldiers.

BUT, I didn't organise the 6th Division and as it stands they want reservists to fill these roles, which I think is a conflicting priority. So either make them civilian, reduce the 'soldiering' aspect or work at half strength.
Said elsewhere, the UK doesn't integrate or use contractors to the same scale or depth as the US.

Also there is a hierarchy heuristic of requiring people to be within a recognisable chain of command

The penny bit that hasn't dropped completely across higher echlons in the army is that when you use reservists to achieve this, it is not the same as being always available/at beck & call - unless you mobilise (which can be a bit of a one shot measure)
 
Try joining the army before you tell GOC 6 Div how he should run it.
Give over, I can have an opinion. At 50% strength do you think things are going well recruitment-wise for 77X?

I simply said there's three outcomes imho:
1: Reserves with specialist skills & soldiering skills = Only 50% posts filled
2:
Reserves with specialist skills & reduced soldiering requirement = Increased recruitment?
3:
Civilians with specialist skills & no soldiering requirement = All posts filled?

Bear in mind that the role is information warfare (social media influencing, broadcast/print comms, propaganda etc) and so being called upon to use their 'soldiering skills' is highly unlikely (last I read only 20 of the the unit had been on ops and from what I understand we are talking support ops in the Phillipines not FOB in Afghan) and in any case would be better covered by an increase in trained infantrymen rather than relying on 'Dave' the Javascript and Python programmer.

So how about you answer my question, I'd like to hear your take on things...
Would you rather have only 50% of these specialist information ops posts filled BUT filled with people who have all the basic soldiering skills?
or
Would you rather have 100% of the posts filled but with a reduced soldiering capacity? (Similar to many PQOs)

Said elsewhere, the UK doesn't integrate or use contractors to the same scale or depth as the US...
I think thats the issue and possibly some of the hostility I have had here, people are resistant to the established way of doing things. The British Army is the best in the world in many ways sure, but it's behind the times and needs to catch up where the new frontier of warfare is concerned. Russia has 5-10 years on us and have turned propaganda into an art form.
 

Just_plain_you

War Hero
You're quoting figures which are 4 years out of date.

You haven't even got the nous / gumption to give 77X a call.

Do take your head for a wobble
 

Slime

LE
It’s great to see the OP sell himself short , and be ultra humble about what he thinks he offers :)

We only have to look at the ‘specialists’ (aka people doing a job they are paid to do) on ARRSE or elsewhere to see just how devastatingly effective these specialists can be when trying to persude or sew an idea or ideology without military skills as a back up.........oh, hang on. :)
 

Slime

LE
You're quoting figures which are 4 years out of date.

You haven't even got the nous / gumption to give 77X a call.

Do take your head for a wobble

But, but 77 need his skill set.......and only 77...........there is nowhere else he could go without doing a bit of soldiering. :)

I wonder if the ‘other places’ he could go, are recruiting civilians with his skill set right now and are well known have passed by his search for an employer :)
 

Fake Sheikh

War Hero
So what do you bring to the party, being a daily wail journo is not considered as being a real journo.
Presumably you have skills they require & need but at 37 you will find the training hard & tough.

I know with Nationals they did no drill nights, 1 weekend a month & annual camp/course, all were to a man/woman highly trained good soldiers & officers and bought a lot to the party & tours.
 
I think thats the issue and possibly some of the hostility I have had here, people are resistant to the established way of doing things. The British Army is not too bad in the world in some self defined ways sure, but it's behind the times and needs to catch up where the new frontier of warfare is concerned. Russia has 15-20* years on us and have turned propaganda into an art form.
*@12 years of activity since the post Russo-Georgian war reforms, lots of years prior to that thinking about capability gaps when too broke/spread thin by Chechnya to do anything about it

Erase SM presence, give them a ring, have a cracking time
 
Yeah, this is pointless. I'm out.
You are Andrew Sabisky and I claim my £5.

But seriously, you want to (at least according to your earlier posts ont this thread) join a military unit of the British Army (albeit a highly specialised one). To do so, you need to join the army... as a soldier. If you don't want to do this, I am sure there are specialist areas within the Civil Service who need your specialist skill and knowledge, without the need for you to get your hands dirty.
 
Erase SM presence, give them a ring, have a cracking time
I get the distinct impression that the OP enjoys giving the world the benefit of his in depth knowledge on all matters too much to contemplate going dark.
 
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Snapper 25

Clanker
Genuine questions:

1: Why?
2: Do you consider it more important to have a broadcast communications specialst* who is ALSO a soldier 'with the same basic soldiering skills' as everyone else even if that means you only run at 50% strength?

* or any other number of weird 'information warfare' type roles that involves nerds and such sat on the net or making videos.
Are you actually asking why everyone in the army needs basic soldiering skills?.
 
Genuine questions:

1: Why?
2: Do you consider it more important to have a broadcast communications specialst* who is ALSO a soldier 'with the same basic soldiering skills' as everyone else even if that means you only run at 50% strength?

* or any other number of weird 'information warfare' type roles that involves nerds and such sat on the net or making videos.
Are you actually asking why everyone in the army needs basic soldiering skills?.
Forgot this classic


MEDIC!
 

Slime

LE
Are you actually asking why everyone in the army needs basic soldiering skills?.
That seems to be part of it, and his idea that the Russians have it down as an art form further shows why he lacks understanding in this area.

The very fact that many Russian trolls either in the factory or as remote workers lack military experience is what massively ruins their attempts where opinion actually counts.

The lack of ‘end user’ ideology is what led the WW2 propaganda machine to try to sap US morale by telling troops their wives were having an affair with Donald Duck.

The opposite effect was demonstrated by the dropping of photographs of Goering wearing fur lined boots to German troops on the Eastern front.

If the OP wants to work in a military sphere then military knowledge is useful.
If they wish to target a civilian audience then there is a recruitment drive for an even larger place.

Pergaps the OP feels they are indispensable. Bearing in mind the likes of prime ministers, Hollywood A listers or US presidents can be here today and gone tomorrow it seems a sense of ‘ones place in a military machine as a tiny cog’ could be exactly what the OP has no idea of, and would benefit from.
 
Pretty much. I mean it’s the army’s call really...

I have skills that are niche, typically not found within already serving personnel, typically not found in people who also have an interest in the armed forced and which the Army says they need.

If they want them they can have them.

If they insist I have to be a fully trained, combat ready, bomb disposal expert first then it’s not for me and we can both be on our merry way and they can continue to struggle to fill posts.

If they compromise and say actually the basic minimum of induction is fine as the chances of ever using you in a conventional military capacity are extremely low, then perhaps we have a deal.

It just seems that the insistence that ‘everyone is a soldier first’ is hampering efforts to get certain skilled posts filed by reservists as the people with those skills aren’t typically ‘soldiering’ types. I mean thinking it through I don’t know why they can’t just open up posts within the unit for civilians so no military training is required?

ETA: And for those mentioning, I fully intend to speak to the unit direct again in the near future but I wanted to use this forum (and the army recruitment live chat, which was surprisingly good) to get some knowledge behind me first so if they say something that doesn’t fit with what I’ve heard elsewhere I can at least challenge it to see if I have understood them right.

Good answer.

Don't get promoted though as I'll be expected to respect the rank, which I've never done so far and don't intend to start now :cool:
 

Just_plain_you

War Hero
Is this throbber Dominic Cummings' new intern?
 
Is this throbber Dominic Cummings' new intern?
My thoughts too (reference my #33 above). He certainly comes accross like he's one of the "weirdos and misfits with odd skills" that Cummings thinks can solve all our problems.

On the other hand, if it was him, his skills as a superforecaster are not what they were cracked up to be if they didn't predict how this thread would go.
 
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