Any thing to do with the fact that when they are just about to lose their baby teeth they join the Sgts Mess?
Ever noticed that Scaly Sgts dont know how to behave in the Mess? I always thought it was because they didnt have Cpls Messes and therefore didnt learn the basics of etiquette..............then someone told me how much it would cost to provide a Cpls Mess during their basic Training and how long they actually spend as Cpls; (incidentally the best and most educating rank in the Army)
Teeth arm. What a quaint out-dated expression. A term from the days of yore, those nostalgic days when the tank actually fired its main armament in anger, when the aircraft brought down by an air defender was intended and when the gunners used more than an illuminating round against the enemy. Hey mate put on the kettle we will soon be home for tea and medals. Mind we havent got long just when will we find the time to paint the f******g kerbs in regimental colours like the combat arms do.
Oi Mr ill-educated!!!
we are scaleys...not scalies.
Oh, and you roughy toughy, 'ard people may resent us being labelled as "Teeth Arms" by the powers that be, but the fact remains that wars are in fact won and lost by communications (excuse the trade training cliche)
If you want to spend your natural life charging round in a warrior, feeling sick, and living in a muddy hole...then thats up to you. And a grand job of it you all do!
We chose someting different to that maybe because WE had the choice, who knows?
Or maybe we just had an incling of what we want to do after the army and headed in that direction.
After all....civvy street is screaming out for infantrymen and others of that ilk...maybe not eh?
So who really cares who gets labelled as what, and for what reason??
Certainly not I (must be some testosterone driven urge or something)
c u l8r
wee jimmy!.....nice one!
The_Tara...have you actually ever visited a signal regiment??
If you had, you would know that only a small minority of people graduate from ph2 training with a tape, and absolutely none leave with two!!
It is agreed that Cpl is the most educating rank that there is, however it is only the technicians who get promoted at anywhere near the exaggerated rate that you have suggested.
And everyone hates techs!
(and yes it probably is jelousy!)
If you want to have a go....at least do your homework!
(SAVES YOU LOOKING SILLY)
To paraphrase, oh you poor ill-educated fool, its techs not techies.
The finest body of chaps the army has ever produced. Intelligent, trained for nice civvy jobs in phase 2 trg, time promotion and still have money left at the end of each month. I think they're grrrrrreat.
A couple of points.Techs are universally hated for a variety of reasons, ranging from:
1. The fact that they are promoted upon leaving leaving trade training (although they are not the only ones, RMP being an example)
2. They are then time promoted despite blatantly not being ready to hold their current rank let alone the next rank up.
3. Add to this the fact that they are generally lazy work shy fops who give the remainder of the Corps a bad name and who are paid far too much and it is no surprise that they are so popular!
That said though you do occassionally get one or two genuinley good Techs who are also genuinley good JNCO's/SNCO's.
At first I thought you must be a liney or ED, but there weren't enough spelling mistakes. You're not an operator because you got through and your message was clear.
Therefore you must be one of those sad failed techs, who remembers that techs come top of every cadre, detties' and sgts' course, always get the best chicks and own the nicest cars without getting them repossessed.
Never mind, dry your sad little eyes, one day you may get the greatest career chance in the world. RD. Oh how happy you must be. No qualifications, no rank and no prospects.
As you may of guessed your comment did offend, i have never yet found a tech that is either big or capable of cutting someones head off.
Thank you very much for your worth while comments on the COMBAT trades and i do hope that your ERV is to your needs, oops forgot half the techs cant drive hgv and oops forgot no ED's no power, and oops forgot no liney no phone no talking to mummy.
Being the trade that started the corp perhaps some respect is in order? We dont hate all techs, just stuck up ones like your self.......Hope the money is worth being hated!!
Never mind I'll take the lower pay and keep my tradition and MATES thanks
The point is.... why aren't there more ex tech RSM's, QM's and Trg wing S/SGT's when they all get such a head start and such a sheltered early life?
I think it was an exception rather than the rule.... or is your unit so unpopular that they can only get ex-techs to fill the posts? Then again, check the line bay..... maybe all the lineys are ex-techs??
Being a Tech for the last 21 years I thought this ought to be the first place to post.
Like any other trade there are good guys and not so good. The really bad ones need to be gripped (just as you would with an operator, ED, Liney..Ooops I mean Driver ). The initial responsibilities that a young Tech has (tools/equipment/engineering skill) is one of the reasons that they are promoted quicker than some others...not all of them fit the bill I will agree. Cpl Techs are nearly always chosen as sect comds on battlecamps in an effort to speed up their development (because they are intelligent enough to handle it). Most Techs turn out to be decent blokes..just like the next man.
I never heard complaints about Tech promotion when the duties lists were posted. Other trades seemed to be perfectly happy to accept Techs as JNCO's then.
Basically, you cannot pick and choose your occasions to accept / unaccept fast track promotion. Right or wrong (and I actually believe it to be wrong despite my background) it is here and has been for a long time.
Perhaps (and here's a novel idea) you other trades could actually carry out some mentoring to ensure that Techs come up to the mark as JNCO's and don't embarass you and your earned promotions. After all, despite the slagging and banter, we are all on the same side and a Units reputation sinks or swims as a collective all.
At the end of the day, a tech is as much a victim of early promotion as you are of not getting it and who, as a sprog, would actually have the guts to refuse to wear the rank?
just a thought on all your techs in high places, how many are failed foreman ???
isnt that the usual excuse for RD techs?
Oh and those hairy arsed techs you refer to... You must mean half of our femme techs mate
Actually I was quite happy to stay a Tech albeit at the rank of Sgt. Medically downgraded due to the rapid introduction of Boots Comabt High back in 83/84 and having a crappy FofS1 who insisted that everyone wore them all the time. So I wasnt allowed to go and do my Staffies Course even though I had the recommendations from my CO's.. The thought of going RD never crossed my mind as I was happier seeing a previously declared dead radio leaving my workshops restored to full health and in full working order.
I left 8 Sigs as a T3 Siggy as I was hospitalised after a 4 Tonner accident on my MPC back in 75. I was given my first tape after I did some work for the SOinC on a Summer Sales exercise in 76. He asked my ToTty why I hadnt been promoted, and told him to sort it out asap !
So I suppose that was classified as promotion in the field.
Didn't this start off with a snipe at us Scaleys being refered to as "Teeth Arms"? Somehow the topic evolved into another round of Tech hating.
Now dont get me wrong, I'm as fond of bitchin' about technitians as the next bloke but lets face it, the RD rosta is not exclusive by any means so fair play to anyone who makes a success out of it whatever trade they used to be.