Spare me the tears over the white working class

#1
Quite an extraordinary article, that pours scorn on the white working class, from Yasmin Alibhai-Brown in the Independent.

So this is the thanks we get for saving her and her family, providing them with free healthcare and education, and paving the way for their future success.

If one were to replace the words 'white working class' in the article with 'Pakistani' or 'black' then I'm sure police charges could well follow. I wonder if the Rozzers would follow through with an investigation if a complaint were made against Alibhai-Brown. Only whites can be racist, you see.

Maybe it's because I'm a foreigner that I rage so when witnessing attacks on immigrants. Something stirs deep inside, not bloodlines, not tribal kinships, not even the politics of race, but a wakeful sense of history and lived experience.

The same defensive emotions rise within white working-class writers when their culture is threatened. Their kith and kin, it seems, have turned against incomers as self pity overwhelms them.

A new government report finds that they feel "betrayed" and abandoned. Ruined by "ethnic minorities" they cry into their antimacassars and threaten to vote for fascists. The British working classes include people of every shade. But only white grievances matter. Nobody seeks to find out what life is like for the incomers living in the fog of nativist bitterness.

Parliamentarians, the media, even the people who claim to speak for immigrants – such as Baroness Warsi and Trevor Phillips – are flocking to indulge the always-wretched and complaining classes. And so it becomes a matter of honour for me to oppose them. Once again. A foolhardy step. You saw the rush to defend Karen Matthews when her daughter went missing. It was class prejudice, they trilled, until the woman was found guilty of kidnapping her own daughter.

We are thankfully free to question Muslim, Asian, Arab, African, Caribbean, Polish, Lithuanian, Russian behaviour in Britain. And some behave abominably. The British middle and upper classes are rightly fair game. But not the white working classes.

Criticise them and they, who detest PC, bring down the wrath of Alf Garnett on your head. Their culture is proud; they are noble; what they believe – however stupid or vicious – must be awesome. Oh, and they are never to be called racist, not even the scum who drop shit and firebombs through letter boxes of asylum-seekers on estates.

Michael Collins's The Likes of Us is testimony to this self justification. Collins is superb on the tender history of his own family in south London, but then, as the broadcaster Laurie Taylor noted, this "poetic hooligan ... puts up his fists, looking around for someone to clout". And true to class he hits on blacks and Asians, even proffering an intellectual alibi for the killers of Stephen Lawrence.

One writer, Liz Jones, of white working-class stock, sees through the cultural protectionism. Responding to beer-swilling blokes in Wibsey Working Men's Club, in Bradford, who said on television that they had lost their place as the backbone of the nation because Asians were overtaking them, she wrote: "A snail with special needs would overtake this lot ... It is patronising and not remotely useful to treat the white working class as though they are all helpless, giant toddlers in need of conservation."

Defenders of this faith claim they are never allowed to speak on immigration. They have done little else since the first boats sailed in from the Caribbean. Whenever times were hard, immigrants were the natural scapegoats. At boom times, they were brutally envied: too rich, too hardworking, taking jobs and gals from British men, or scroungers on benefits.

You couldn't win then; even less so today. Working-class white men provoked race riots through the Fifties and Sixties; they kept "darkies" out of pubs and clubs and work canteens. Who were the supporters of Oswald Mosley and Enoch Powell? The disempowered have used us to vent their natural-born hatred against the powerful.

We ordinary immigrants didn't cause the credit crunch. We didn't privatise the nation's assets and pay ourselves shockingly high bonuses. We did not outsource jobs and bring down wages. We didn't cut back on public housing and run down the infrastructure. We didn't make the British choose benefits over work. We are blameless citizens and residents.

There is a remarkable side to this story that has been erased by the culture of intolerable complaint. White "lower" class women were more accepting of "coloureds" than the men. They fell in love, had families, faced down bigots. Despite racism in some trades unions, schools, health services and local authorities, genuine co-operation evolved as people grew to trust one another. Britain is a more integrated place than was in the Sixties, and many of us would not live elsewhere.

Like others who came to stay, I hope one day we can truly belong, our rights and responsibilities no different from those who arrived and laid claims long before us on these mongrel, oft-invaded isles. Perhaps there will be brief respite when Britain will not blame the outsider for all its woes. Alas not yet, certainly not over this hard and cold coming year.
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinio...ars-over-the-white-working-class-1225824.html
 
#2
Can't be arrsed to read it.....can you para-phrase it for me please?
 
#3
Thats why i don't read the independant. As its full of sh1te like that...............
 
#4
Paraphrased:

I'm an immigrant - Gimme Gimme Gimme.

Respect my culture whilst I pour scorn over yours/the one that has saved me.

Clear enough?
 
#5
theloggie said:
Paraphrased:

I'm an immigrant - Gimme Gimme Gimme.

Respect my culture whilst I pour scorn over yours/the one that has saved me.

Clear enough?
Oh, one of those articles. Many thanks. Glad I didn't waste my time.
 

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#6
Having read other articles by YAB, I sometimes wonder if she isn't some kind of under cover agent-provocateur for the BNP or something. The utter class snobbery that she exudes is astounding.
 

ugly

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#7
What sort of muppet gives O2 thieves like her space to spout their drivel, they should be competing in the blogosphere like the rest of us!
 
#8
Personally I have no drama with immigrants that are here to work, prosper and advance.

But an immigrant who arrives from, say, the Congo claims to be blind and then gets a big television, whilst claiming no end of benefits and not working or advancing (but clearly prospering enough to bring his wife over, and their child and then pumping out another 3 kids)... that get´s my goat.
 
#9
Breathtaking hypocrisy, she is displaying the exact same prejudice she is railing against. Shes fallen for the media's portrayal of the "White" working class in exactly the same way many (not the majority) of working class people have fallen for the media image of all immigrants as lawless, grasping scroungers.
 
#10
chocolate_frog said:
Personally I have no drama with immigrants that are here to work, prosper and advance.

But an immigrant who arrives from, say, the Congo claims to be blind and then gets a big television, whilst claiming no end of benefits and not working or advancing (but clearly prospering enough to bring his wife over, and their child and then pumping out another 3 kids)... that get´s my goat.
Neither do I. However the fault of the above example lies with those in power who allow it to happen, not the individuals concerned. If I lived in a shithole of a country and suddenly noticed that the English would sort me right out Id pack up and fcuk of there!
 
#11
Just a thought... It's quite possible that the red jacketed ancestors of those white working class she so despises were the ones that subjugated her ancestors at the end of a Brown Bess and socket bayonet...
 
#12
White working class culture isnt a fat bloke down the pub calling for the darkies to be put on a boat home .
 
#13
woody said:
White working class culture isnt a fat bloke down the pub calling for the darkies to be put on a boat home .
It's quite a large part of it though.
 

Biped

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#14
Petriburg said:
Just a thought... It's quite possible that the red jacketed ancestors of those white working class she so despises were the ones that subjugated her ancestors at the end of a Brown Bess and socket bayonet...
So what the hell is she doing living in the land of the oppressor? Oh, that's right, either her or her forebears thought that they would have a better life here - and rightly so - she DOES have a better life than her 'tribe' as she calls it, back in the homeland.

Petriburg, you are a throbber.
 
#15
theblindking said:
woody said:
White working class culture isnt a fat bloke down the pub calling for the darkies to be put on a boat home .
It's quite a large part of it though.
No it isn't.

The vast majority of people I know are white and consider themselves working class and do not give two hoots about the colour of your skin as long as you pull your weight.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The day the number of Jobless workshy immigrant scroungers outnumbers the number of Native British (white if you prefer) Jobless Workshy Scroungers is the day I will start railing against them.

Unfortunately (or Fortunately - whichever you prefer) they have a bloody long way to go before that day happens.
 
#16
Petriburg said:
Just a thought... It's quite possible that the red jacketed ancestors of those white working class she so despises were the ones that subjugated her ancestors at the end of a Brown Bess and socket bayonet...
Not my generation therefor not my fault, therefor dont give a fcuk.
 
#17
MrShanklysboots said:
theblindking said:
woody said:
White working class culture isnt a fat bloke down the pub calling for the darkies to be put on a boat home .
It's quite a large part of it though.
No it isn't.

The vast majority of people I know are white and consider themselves working class and do not give two hoots about the colour of your skin as long as you pull your weight.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The day the number of Jobless workshy immigrant scroungers outnumbers the number of Native British (white if you prefer) Jobless Workshy Scroungers is the day I will start railing against them.

Unfortunately (or Fortunately - whichever you prefer) they have a bloody long way to go before that day happens.
It is if you believe the left wing press!
 
#18
theblindking said:
woody said:
White working class culture isnt a fat bloke down the pub calling for the darkies to be put on a boat home .
It's quite a large part of it though.
I couldn't help but laugh.

She hasn't really thought about the issue at all though, has she? She criticises the white working class as self-pitying bastards then herself goes into an 'informed' rant of self-pity of 'her' people (that is, anyone ooh' ain't a mongrelised white bloke) on all the bigotry she has had to overcome.

No wonder I'm a bloody bigot.
 
#19
If you read her article to be talking about the benefit-claiming underclass who have never worked, then I think she is accurate on some levels - for example, the Daily Star ran a headline the other week along the lines of "They've taken all our jobs" and saying immigrants had taken every new job created since 2001 or some rubbish. I'm sure many of those who believed such bile have probably never even had a job, but then peddle it as an excuse for not working.

I think that is where the insult lies, she is grouping people who have never worked & have parents who have never worked - the new underclass - with backbone of this country - the working class.
 
#20
I'm glad to hear it Shankly, you clearly drink in different pubs to me. My previous comment was a bit facetious, I know, but the amount of times I've heard "I ain't racist but..." before someone launches on an "stealing our jobs and benefits" rant, is beyond counting. You put your finger on the issue, in that on the whole immigrants are far from workshy - the irony being that Y A-B is profoundly middle-class railing against working class. That offends me far more than the race thing.
 

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