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Spanish Support to Russian Naval Assets

Close up imagery is available anytime we want in international waters from helicopters and MPA while the hull design is old so probably not much to be gained from a Buster Crabb type adventure.



Because a slow moving A-10 would last a long time against SA-N-6, SA-N-4, AK-130 and CIWS! ;)

Regards,
MM

On a website dedicated to US (and other) naval history, I found a nineties training publication for US Navy photographers. Apart from how to do informal portraits of pretty girls and stern portraits of senior officers, and in action shots on a carrier flight deck or of a gun crew, it included a section on intelligence photography of both civilian and military vessels.

The PDF is here. Scrolling down to 6-42:

Closeup photographs taken with telephoto lenses are also important to support the basic nine-point coverage. You should photograph the following items (in priority order):

1. Over-the-side equipment and buoys
2. Missiles and launchers
3. Radars
4. Antennas
5. Sonar domes
6. Sensor protrudents
7. Helicopters (on deck and in flight)
8. Unusual optical or electro-optical devices
9. Unusual activity
10. Guns
11. Superstructure
12. Cranes, masts, and booms
13. Ports, hatches, and openings
14. Appendages and fittings
15. Identification numbers, flags, and markings
16. Oceanographic deck equipment
 
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Spanish doing it to piss us off over Gib

I know some Gibbos, and yes, they are mightily pissed off! Even more so since RN/UK plc has been putting ships into Malaga recently.

Re Buster Crabb type stuff. No need now as boats have a capability known as 'an underwater look'. Brown trouser stuff, but good information.

//Thread drift//
Yesterday I laid a wreath on the grave of Buster Crabb's No 2, Sidney Knowles, who is buried in Malaga. Unknown to us, his wife was there and was very touched that we had done so. She also told us a lot of stories about the two of them (Sid and Buster) - none of which are currently in the public domain! Somebody needs to interview her soon, as she is a good age.

//Carry on//
 
Close up imagery is available anytime we want in international waters from helicopters and MPA while the hull design is old so probably not much to be gained from a Buster Crabb type adventure.



Because a slow moving A-10 would last a long time against SA-N-6, SA-N-4, AK-130 and CIWS! ;)

Regards,
MM

Keeni-meeni type sticking his head out of the manzi with one of these one dark night may irritate them somewhat and do a little damage.

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Neopup PAW-20 - Wikipedia
 
So there are no int benefits in allowing a bunch of Russian matelots out on a regular run ashore in a warm climate?

Their N2 mob must really be enjoying this...

Not actually in Spain but in Ceuta which is the Spanish enclave at the top of Tangiers. Might not be much even for Russian sailors for a decent run ashore.
 
Not actually in Spain but in Ceuta which is the Spanish enclave at the top of Tangiers. Might not be much even for Russian sailors for a decent run ashore.
Beat me to it! Yes, Ceuta (and Melilla) - Spanish enclaves on the Moroccan mainland - the Moroccans want their land back. As a run ashore (I was there a few weeks ago) it is marginally better than Brest! There are beggars everwhere, but marginally less than in Tangiers. Top tip? Don't bother!

Which grips one's poo when they start banging on about Gibraltar - it seems the Ceuta/Melilla thing is TOTALLY different to the Gibralter situation.

Well, it is if you're a Spanish politician..............
 
Close up imagery is available anytime we want in international waters from helicopters and MPA while the hull design is old so probably not much to be gained from a Buster Crabb type adventure.



Because a slow moving A-10 would last a long time against SA-N-6, SA-N-4, AK-130 and CIWS! ;)

Regards,
MM

I do wonder how an AGM-158c might do. Any chance of you folks getting in on that bandwagon?
 
Looks to me like some kid drew it on the back page of a school book and kept adding guns and missiles to make it look hard . . . .
As opposed to our/the RN’s Type 22, which started out with no guns (bigger than 30mm!!), and ONLY four Exocet . . . NOT even any reloads

THAT is embarrassing :( .

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"Weapons fit was determined by the primary ASW role combined with a perceived need for a general purpose capability. The principal ASW weapons systems were the ship's Lynx helicopter and triple torpedo tubes (STWS), with 2087 towed array sonar a key part of the sensors fit ( . . The larger hull also improved sea keeping, but never achieved the expected quietness with towed arrays, according to Captain Doug Littlejohns of the Type 22, HMS London . . due to failure to raft mount the diesel generators).

Air defence was provided in the form of two 'six-pack' launchers for the Seawolf (GWS 25) point-defence missile system. Surface warfare requirements were met by the provision of four Exocet SSM launchers, the standard RN fit at that time. A pair of L/60 Bofors were fitted in the first batch for patrol and junk busting on summer Indian Ocean deployments, but proved expedient in the Falkland were T22 captains considered they interfered with concentrating on Seawolf setup".

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One might even imagine that naval ship designers had been recruited from Cambridge University?!

"The first Type 22 order was placed in 1972 with Yarrow Shipbuilders; Yarrow undertook much of the detailed design work whilst overall responsibility remained with the Ship Department at Bath".

Type 22 frigate - Wikipedia

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photo Type 22 Broadsword class - Google Search:
 
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As opposed to our/the RN’s Type 22, which started out with no guns (bigger than 30mm!!), and ONLY four Exocet . . . NOT even any reloads

THAT is embarrassing :( .

F88-HMS-Broadsword-002.jpg



"Weapons fit was determined by the primary ASW role combined with a perceived need for a general purpose capability. The principal ASW weapons systems were the ship's Lynx helicopter and triple torpedo tubes (STWS), with 2087 towed array sonar a key part of the sensors fit ( . . The larger hull also improved sea keeping, but never achieved the expected quietness with towed arrays, according to Captain Doug Littlejohns of the Type 22, HMS London . . due to failure to raft mount the diesel generators).

Air defence was provided in the form of two 'six-pack' launchers for the Seawolf (GWS 25) point-defence missile system. Surface warfare requirements were met by the provision of four Exocet SSM launchers, the standard RN fit at that time. A pair of L/60 Bofors were fitted in the first batch for patrol and junk busting on summer Indian Ocean deployments, but proved expedient in the Falkland were T22 captains considered they interfered with concentrating on Seawolf setup".

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One might even imagine that naval ship designers had been recruited from Cambridge University?!

"The first Type 22 order was placed in 1972 with Yarrow Shipbuilders; Yarrow undertook much of the detailed design work whilst overall responsibility remained with the Ship Department at Bath".

Type 22 frigate - Wikipedia

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be9239afaef379023b7c2f54f1e46848.jpg


photo Type 22 Broadsword class - Google Search:

Four Exocets was not a bad surface to surface armament. There was no way to reload a sea as the missile came supplied in their containers.

Also I am certain sonar 2087 was only developed after the year 2000.....

The Russians are alleged to like sticking extra guns/missiles/radars on the deck or superstructure without worrying too much about things like seakeeping.
 
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The original Leanders came out of the builders' yards in the early sixties fitted fbnw towed thing - took a while to get that right. Meanwhile, neat place aft to keep the \Chinese laundry crew.
 

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