Spams shoot prisoners....

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Were "zey tryink to ezcape"?

The elections generated some good news, now it is back to the good old days of inflammatory incompetence!

From BBC:
Four shot dead in Iraq jail riot

The US says it holds about 7,000 inmates in prisons across Iraq
Four prisoners have been shot dead by US guards during a riot at an Iraqi jail, the US military has said.
The trouble blew up at the Camp Bucca prison in southern Iraq, after a routine search of cells, the US military said in a statement.

The riot "spread to three additional compounds", and lasted 45 minutes before guards opened fire, it said.

An investigation has been launched into both the unrest and the use of force to deal with it, the military added.

Six other prisoners were injured in the unrest at the prison, near the port of Umm Qasr, the military said.

The statement said prisoners were "throwing rocks and fashioning weapons from materials inside their living areas".

"Guards attempted to calm the increasingly volatile situation using verbal warnings and, when that failed, by use of non-lethal force," it said.

"After about 45 minutes of escalating danger, lethal force was used to quell the violence."

Elsewhere in Iraq, three US marines were killed in a roadside bombing south of Baghdad.

The military said the three were conducting a security operation in Babil province when they died. It gave no further details.

An internet warning purportedly posted by the Iraqi wing of al-Qaeda, run by the wanted Jordanian militant leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, has vowed to continue its struggle despite Sunday's election, which it dismissed as an "American game".

"We in the al-Qaeda Organisation for Holy War in Iraq will continue the jihad until the banner of Islam flutters over Iraq," it said.
From the Indy:
Anger as American troops kill four inmates in jail riot
By Kim Sengupta in Basra
02 February 2005


American troops killed four detainees and injured six others to quell a riot in a prison camp in British-controlled southern Iraq.

The deaths, on the day the elections were held, drew an angry response from the Iraqi interim government who demanded the troops should be put on trial if they were found to have used excessive force.

The US authorities said the soldiers had used "lethal force" on the inmates corralled into compounds, surrounded by razor wire, at Camp Bucca after failing to quell rioting. They also admitted that no American soldiers had been seriously injured by stones thrown by the inmates and the disturbance had lasted just 45 minutes before the decision was taken to open fire.

Bakhtiar Amin, the Human Rights minister, said he has sent a delegation to the camp in southern Iraq to investigate. "If we are convinced there was no justification for the degree of force used then we want them to be tried," he said. "If there is a mistake, then those in charge should be brought to account."

British military officers said that they were "disturbed" by the Americans resorting to live rounds so quickly, but claimed they were in no position to intervene. Camp Bucca, near Umm Qasar, holds 5,300 prisoners - more than Abu Ghraib jail in Baghdad - some of whom have been detained for more than a year without trial.

There have been repeated allegations of abuse at the prison, which had not attracted the publicity generated by the cases at Abu Ghraib. On at least one occasion in the past British soldiers have complained that Americans had shot prisoners held in "cages".

Trouble began during searches of one of the 10 compounds in the prison camp on Sunday, the day of the Iraqi elections, and spread to three other compounds. A US military statement said the violence started after a routine search for contraband. The facility's commander immediately deployed all available guards to the camp in an attempt to control the situation.

"The riot quickly spread to three additional compounds, with detainees throwing rocks and fashioning weapons from materials inside their living areas. Guards attempted to calm the increasingly volatile situation using verbal warnings and non-lethal force," but when that failed after 45 minutes "lethal force was used to quell the violence". The American military is investigating the incident. The US troops involved were from a recently arrived reserve unit, the 105th Military Police Battalion, based at Buffalo, New York state.

Allegations of abuse at Camp Bucca have been made by detainees and military personnel. One prisoner, Hossam Shaltout, a Canadian citizen and US resident, said inmates were regularly beaten and humiliated - stripped naked and made to simulate sexual acts. In a compensation claim filed by his US lawyer, Mr Shaltout said guards had placed scorpions on his bound body. He alleged that Military Police Master Sergeant Lisa Girman had punched him and kneed him in the groin after he went on a hunger strike.

Sgt Girman, who was among four soldiers discharged over allegations they abused prisoners at Camp Bucca, also accused Lt-Col Jerry L Phillabaum of exacting "vigilante justice" on prisoners she believed had raped Private Jessica Lynch, who was captured by Iraqi forces. In her biography, Pte Lynch presented medical evidence which supposedly showed that she was abused during a three-hour gap period that she cannot recall. Lt-Col Phillabaum was reprimanded in connection with the prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib.
 
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Bucca is a Shithole... it was in 2003 and no doubts with 5,300 detainees now it must be even worse. Don't judge it or the press response until you have deal with the criminal justice system operated in Bucca. Can't say much more.
 

Goatman

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Jailorinummqasr said:
Bucca is a Shithole... it was in 2003 and no doubts with 5,300 detainees now it must be even worse. Don't judge it or the press response until you have deal with the criminal justice system operated in Bucca. Can't say much more.
Seconded...had a couple visits there in 03. Bulk of the inmates were actually housed 'outside' under canvas at that time. IIRC, so were the guardforce.

The guard unit in charge back then had some guys hospitalized after being attacked with steel tentpegs.

We had to go up there in a White Fleet jalopy for some juice one night - approached the gate VERY slowly, with our pale European faces as visible as we could make them.....


It's a flat bit of desert with a PX the size of a scout hut and rock-all else ..... a six month tour there would be bad enough let alone a year in theatre, which the Cousins seem to stick people with.....enough to send anyone doolally....


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Goatman said:
It's a flat bit of desert with a PX the size of a scout hut and rock-all else ..... a six month tour there would be bad enough let alone a year in theatre, which the Cousins seem to stick people with.....enough to send anyone doolally....
The worst, most 'cafard' inducing 1-year Spam job I came across out there were the boys in 'Gasoline Alley' at Tallil airbase. I'm amazed that none of them had gone 'postal' with the boredom of it.
 

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