SPAM about to get crucified by the press......

#1
Just spotted this on Reuters http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackag...FA?type=worldNews&storyID=621563&section=news

TV says Marine shot dead wounded prisoner
Mon 15 November, 2004 23:18

LONDON (Reuters) - A television pool report by U.S. network NBC says that a U.S. Marine shot dead an unarmed and wounded Iraqi prisoner in a mosque in Falluja.

The Iraqi was one of five wounded prisoners left in the mosque after Marines had fought their way in on Friday and Saturday. There was no immediate comment from the Pentagon on Monday's report.

U.S. forces launched an offensive one week ago on Falluja, and have gained overall control of the formerly rebel-held city, although scattered resistance remains.

The pool report by NBC correspondent Kevin Sites said the mosque had been used by insurgents to attack U.S. forces, who stormed it and an adjacent building, killing 10 militants and wounding the five.

Sites said the wounded had been left in the mosque for others to pick up and move to the rear for treatment. No reason was given why that had not happened.

A second group of Marines entered the mosque on Saturday after reports it had been reoccupied. Footage from the embedded television crew showed the five still in the mosque, although several appeared to be already close to death, Sites said.

He said one Marine noticed one of the prisoners was still breathing.

A Marine can be heard saying on the pool footage provided to Reuters Television: "He's ****ing faking he's dead. He faking he's ****ing dead."

"The Marine then raises his rifle and fires into the man's head. The pictures are too graphic for us to broadcast," Sites said. No images of the shooting were shown in the footage provided to Reuters.

The report said the Marine, who had returned to duty after being shot in the face a day earlier, had been removed from the field and was being questioned by the U.S. military.

Sites said the shot prisoner "did not appear to be armed or threatening in any way".
We all know sometimes someone gets shot in the heat of the moment who shouldn’t but you just know the press will crucify this guy no matter what.

Reading between the lines a bit. Injured prisoners left behind unguarded. Someone spots Iraqis in a previously cleared building. Troops get told enemy inside. They go in and see dead and injured but do not know if they are an armed threat/suicide bomber. Assume worst, shoot first ask questions later. Be unfortunate enough to have cameraman with you. Poor bastard.
 
#2
No Doubt about the fact that they'll crucify him. But he'll probably get off with it by claiming PTSD after getting his grid messed up the day before.
Or some lawyer will say he shouldn't have been sent back into the area in his fragile state of mind.
 
#3
Seen it, and as far as "proving" anything as evidence in a possible court case, it is useless, so I would say they would be in the clear (unless there is additional footage I have not seen)

The media will still have their fun though.


Sorry, I have just realised that I may have seen the other case of shooting in "suspicious" circumstances going around the net, not this case.
 
#4
The BBC version of events:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4014901.stm

The US military is looking into whether an American marine in Falluja shot dead a severely wounded Iraqi insurgent at point-blank range.
Television footage shows US soldiers entering a building as injured prisoners lie on the floor.

The soldier, from the 3rd battalion of the US marines, has been removed from the field and faces possible charges.

US-led forces said they have now gained overall control in Falluja, trapping rebels in the south of the city.


The images of the alleged point-blank shooting of an Iraqi insurgent were taken by an NBC reporter embedded with the US troops in the Sunni city under assault.

The BBC's James Robbins says the incident could prove highly damaging and that the US military will need to answer key questions about whether the rules of engagement were broken during the incident.

It must explain, he says, whether wounded combatants were abandoned, or killed, illegally.

Mosque stormed


The images show a group of marines, armed with rifles, entering a building near a mosque.
The mosque had been used by insurgents to attack US forces, who had stormed it, killing 10 militants and wounding five.

At least three severely wounded men are seen in a room inside the building - two are slumped against one of the walls, partially covered with a blanket.

The NBC's Kevin Sites says the wounded men had been left in the mosque after marines had fought their way in on Friday and Saturday.

According to Mr Sites, one of the soldiers points his rifle at the head of one of the injured, an old man. The sound of a shot is then heard.

There was no immediate comment from the Pentagon on the report.

'Fighting to death'

US marines have been battling with sporadic but fierce pockets of resistance inside the city. They say they have already killed 1,200 insurgents in the week-long assault.

The offensive is now concentrated mainly in southern districts, where small groups of rebels are "fighting to the death", US commanders say.

Aid agencies are warning of a humanitarian disaster in Falluja, which has been without water or electricity for a week.

There are no figures on civilian deaths. It was estimated that up to 50,000 out of the usual population of 300,000 had remained in Falluja, but this number is impossible to verify.

Meanwhile, violent clashes continued in Iraq's Sunni heartland on Monday.

US warplanes bombed the city of Baquba as clashes between rebels and US and Iraqi forces left some 20 people dead.

At least six Iraqi troops were killed in the city of Mosul as two police stations were stormed, witnesses said.
I still think the guy just made a bad call, nothing more than what happens in war. Media spinning it for all it is worth to get plent of mileage. Guess them embeds better start watching their backs a bit more closely. :evil:
 
#5
From what they showed on Sky it seems to me fairly clear that the Marine saw that one of the five or six bodies wasn't dead, believed that his squad was about to get hit by a suicide bomb and eliminated the problem. The wholly disgraceful part about this was the tone taken by the news agency reporter and the anchorman, both of whose' heavy tones implied that a major atrocity had occurred.
 
#6
Got to give the man on the spot, the guy putting his neck on the line, the benfit of any doubt.
john
Or as they say better to be judged by 12 men then carried by 6.
 
#7
Saw the footage on BBC1 this morning - from what I saw, I'd have done exactly the same thing - the guy appears to be pretending to be dead, and all signs point to suicide bomb. Hopefully the inquiry will ask 1 question: "Did you believe that your squad were at risk from a suicide bomb or other threat from that guy?" and it'll be case dismissed...
 
#8
One bloke reacts in the heat of the moment to protect himself and his unit -because we know the enemy are quite prepared to blow themselves up if they can take a few with them- and he is crucified- how the media think that that marine's act outweighs sadistic beheadings in cold blood and blowing kids into red mist... Not really adding to this thread am I?
Basically don't let embeds near any danger...
 
#9
MARSHALVAUBAN said:
- how the media think that that marine's act outweighs sadistic beheadings in cold blood and blowing kids into red mist
but the nasty people do not have to abide by the Rules of engagement, we and the septics do, and unfortunatley for him, thats whats going to possibly have him clenching his arrse cheeks at shower time.
 
#10
I think that he may only be cleared if it can be proven that the guy he slotted actually had a bomb (or some weapon) on him. Other than that i think the media will dish out his sentence (trial by media!!)

The guys was probabbly right in the action he took, as it is well known (and the facr that 1 of his oppos had been killed in same situation the previous day) that these insurgents use all possible techniques to try and score a kill on the spams.

good luck mate.

Stand up for what you believe in and dont take no sh1t from the lawyers!!!

agent smith
 
#11
Give the press an inch and they will have done a marathon. They will try to get there pound of flesh, no matter what, and then mouth off about how the Arab world will be in up-roar.

To counter this, why not show the videos of the beheadings and the car bombs to show just how inhumane these animals are :evil:

Press should never be allowed anywhere near the front line, this is what happens when they are. One sided reporting :roll:
 
#13
cdo_gunner said:
Thank f* we didn't have this kind of thing in WWII.
well, errr, we did, but we only used it against the germans. Nuremberg Trials etc.... :oops:
 
#14
This incident has now appeared on three separate threads, so it has obviously made an impact.

The fog of war seems to have played a major part in this.

The incident does show there was/is no general policy to kill all enemy wounded. Coalition forces had previously been through the mosque but did not kill the wounded. During the later incident shown in the footage, a second wounded insurgent is shown and is not being engaged.

I for one would not criticise the decisions taken on the ground (a) to take the soldier who did the shooting away from the field and (b) to hold an investigation, led by a tough JAG colonel who is there on the ground.

I realise that the presence of the media (and no doubt panic calls from Washington) has played its part in this, but I find the USMC/USN reaction somehow much more reassuring and professional than the reaction to some previous incidents involving other coalition forces.
 
#15
I just watched the Buggers Broadcasting Communism report on this incident.

The reporter must have been sponsored for how many times she could mention that it took place in a mosque.

More impartial reporting, not in any way editorialised by the BBC then.
 

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