Spain's Stolen Babies - BBC. Yet again the Catholic Church...

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Spain's Stolen Babies is on the beeb tonight and it was previewed on Breakfast this morning.

For years the Catholic Church in Spain has been kidnapping babies, telling their mothers that they baby died at birth and selling them to 'good catholic families'. I'm not sure why I am afain so shocked by this. They kidnapped children after the war to hand to 'good catholic families' even when they knew who the real parents where.

We are begining to find out what went on in Ireland - do we know the full extent of any evils done by them in the UK?

I'm a recovering catholic and I have nothing but contempt for this evil organisation.
 

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Didn't the British Government pack off orphans to the colonies in the 50s on the QT? Not much different really IMO, demigods in positions of power deciding what's best for kids that have no idea what's happening.

Disgusting actions in the name of what?
 
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Quote "Disgusting actions in the name of what? "

Giving those orphans a better life in Oz.Although that's not quite how it worked out for some of them.
 

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Didn't the British Government pack off orphans to the colonies in the 50s on the QT? Not much different really IMO, demigods in positions of power deciding what's best for kids that have no idea what's happening.

Disgusting actions in the name of what?
They did and even worse many of them fell into the clutches of the catholic church and where severely abused.

The idea behind the policy had some merits. Orphaned children sent off to a better life in Australia rather than being stuck in care in the UK leading to a life of crime etc.

Of course the execution was not so clever - especially where the catholic church got involved - and some of the orphans where not quite as orphaned as others - those with single mothers.
 
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I also heard this piece this morning and I did wonder about the thought processes that caused these nuns and priests to act the way they did. But then the phrase 'the end justifies the means' entered my head and all became clear to me. In their sick and twisted way they were serving Mother Church and if thousands of ignorant and God Fearing parents grieved, so what, it was all done in the name of God.
 

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I also heard this piece this morning and I did wonder about the thought processes that caused these nuns and priests to act the way they did. But then the phrase 'the end justifies the means' entered my head and all became clear to me. In their sick and twisted way they were serving Mother Church and if thousands of ignorant and God Fearing parents grieved, so what, it was all done in the name of God.
"Allahu Akbar". If this god of theirs is so great, so omnipotent why does 'he' have to rely on perverted priests and nuns to kidnap kids and suicide bombers to murder and maim?

Is there any difference between Islamic extremists and catholic extremists?
 
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"Allahu Akbar". If this god of theirs is so great, so omnipotent why does 'he' have to rely on perverted priests and nuns to kidnap kids and suicide bombers to murder and maim?

Is there any difference between Islamic extremists and catholic extremists?
If you think about it the similiarities between the two are scary.

Each sect believes that their holy book comes directly from god.
Both think that women should keep their heads covered.
Each has a period of fasting built in to the yearly calander
Each believes that anything they do in the name of their religion is automatically right or at the very least can be forgiven if the correct rituals are observed.

I am sure we could go on all day.
 
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"Allahu Akbar". If this god of theirs is so great, so omnipotent why does 'he' have to rely on perverted priests and nuns to kidnap kids and suicide bombers to murder and maim?

Is there any difference between Islamic extremists and catholic extremists?
Yes - one is a suicide bomber and the other is a suicide bummer.
 
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The Catholic church has an awful lot to answer for. I get the feeling there is a lot more to come.
 

OldSnowy

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Don't get too carried away blaming the Church - our Government still does this. Social Workers takes children from their parents all the time, to put them in 'better homes'. the parents aren't even allowed to tell their MPs. Plenty of info about this out there, as well, it's just that the papers don't want a writ and court order against them for contempt.

Having a go at a Church is much easier.
 

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I'm no left footer but this is no different as mentioned to the actions of other Governments, it just happened that - like Ireland - the Government in essence was the Catholic Church. The Argies did the same with the kids of their Political Prisoners, we shipped our equivalent of Chav Scum off to Australia to populate the colonies and make sure that the nations inferior genes crippled the Wallaby Scrum in perpetuity. The Swedes practiced Eugenics till 1975, Singapore til the early 1980's. I don't take Pope Poury very seriously, but the Catholic Church's actions were no different at the time to Political Actions in other countries - including "right on" Socialists in Sweden et all. Actually at least the Catholic Church didn't kill them unlike those the Socialists considered not part of the plan.

If anything the belief of the munificence of the state, and over reliance on it for an ever expanding list of "Rights" has made this more likely to happen in the future.

To quote Denis Leary "I can't bring up my kids in a church whose authority system is entirely based on the size of ****ing hats, okay? That's apparently how the Catholic church is run. The bigger the hat, the more important the guy, right? Priests have no hats, cardinals have those little red beanies, the pope has a collection of big hats...God must have a huge ****ing sombrero up there in heaven! "Look at me, I'm GOD! Look at the size of my hat, who else would I be?" I don't know, lead singer of Los Lobos"?
 

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Don't get too carried away blaming the Church - our Government still does this. Social Workers takes children from their parents all the time, to put them in 'better homes'. the parents aren't even allowed to tell their MPs. Plenty of info about this out there, as well, it's just that the papers don't want a writ and court order against them for contempt.

Having a go at a Church is much easier.
I'm pretty sure our government doesn't kidnap children and tell their mother's that they died at birth.

We all know that no 'system' can be perfect. People make mistakes. Social workers sometimes take the wrong children for the wrong reasons as you say but as we know they sometimes don't intervene when they should.
 

TheIronDuke

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Social Workers takes children from their parents all the time.
Whats the difference between a social worker and a Rottweiler? You can get your kids back off of a Rottweiler.

The Catholic church has managed to breeze along with the knowledge of more atrocities and massacres than I care to list so I doubt some nicked kids in Oz will blip the radar of Pope Lemur and his chums.
 

OldSnowy

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I'm pretty sure our government doesn't kidnap children and tell their mother's that they died at birth.

We all know that no 'system' can be perfect. People make mistakes. Social workers sometimes take the wrong children for the wrong reasons as you say but as we know they sometimes don't intervene when they should.
No, they don;t give them that 'comfort'. They tell them that they are not fit to be parents, and they will never see their baby again. I think that is far, far worse.
 
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If you think about it the similiarities between the two are scary.

Each sect believes that their holy book comes directly from god.
Both think that women should keep their heads covered.
Each has a period of fasting built in to the yearly calander
Each believes that anything they do in the name of their religion is automatically right or at the very least can be forgiven if the correct rituals are observed.

I am sure we could go on all day.
Where do you think Mohammed got a lot of his ideas from? What he didn't borrow from the Jews he poached off Eastern Christianity.

The best read illiterate in history.
 

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