South Africa Land reform

#3
Sorry , where does it say that?
 

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#4
It is easy to assume (and I dearly hope that the assumption is wrong) that they will follow the succesful model pioneered by Mugabe.

Now everyone has 3 acres of land nobody in Zimbabwe is starving.
 
#5
Ahh! This smacks of yet another shot at workers collective farming. The recent scheme encouraging current (white) farmers to voluntarily sell their farms has not produced the desired results (80% of farm land owned by 10% of the population) only 4% of farmers went for it. So the SA government has decided to embark on the Mugabe-esque plan to confiscate the land and distribute it to the poor despite the SA Constitution guaranteeing property rights.
Here we go again, and the West will go along with it for fear of seeing the Chinese navy in Simonstown.
 
#7
jon1467 said:
Is there any way that the west could discourage this without being branded?
No;Black Africans will take every opportunity to portray themselves as victims? Apartheid, although reprehensible was and is, as nothing compared to the behaviour displayed by African Nation States.
 
#8
I gave up with Africa more years ago then I care to think of.
OK so Honkey was wrong and should never have tried to drag the continent into the modern world.
Let them return to nature, their Presidents for life followed by his son and nay sweat Jonny China man will give them all the aid and support they need.
john
 
#9
One problem is that quite a lot of black land in South Africa was grabbed by the Apartheid government within living memory as a means of controling the blacks and then sold on to white farmers. Therefore there are blacks who remember farming on land that they used to own AND whites who bought the land reasonably legitimately. Not exactly an easy situation to rectify, particularly when the new government doesn't want to risk their own pockets by using government money to buy the whites out at a market price.
 
#10
So any bets on how long it will take before the UN/Aid agencies will have to start sending food/cash to even more starving Africans?
 
#11
Steven said:
So any bets on how long it will take before the UN/Aid agencies will have to start sending food/cash to even more starving Africans?
Not as silly as it sounds, even for Africa. Only five years ago Zim was leading RSA in per-capita wealth; it took that long for the country to descend into the pit it's in now. The unthinkable certainly can happen. It would only take an idiot President who thinks that AIDS is caused by butterfly bites or something.
 
#13
Whiskybreath said:
Steven said:
So any bets on how long it will take before the UN/Aid agencies will have to start sending food/cash to even more starving Africans?
Not as silly as it sounds, even for Africa. Only five years ago Zim was leading RSA in per-capita wealth; it took that long for the country to descend into the pit it's in now. The unthinkable certainly can happen. It would only take an idiot President who thinks that AIDS is caused by butterfly bites or something.
Wasn't meant to be silly, cynical maybe. Take a look at the history of almost any sub-saharan nation and the picture is the same.

Independence followed by a normally quite short period of peace which descends into inter tribal/religious warfare followed by some "President for life/Emperor" or just total nepotism for the leaders family/tribe/supporters which is then swiftly followed by diesease starvation and death for huge swathes of the population.

I would not be in the least surprised is SA follows exactly the same route over the next 10 years or so..
 
#14
And congratulations to the ANC for turning SA into the car-jacking capital of the world. Not to mention rape and murder, which are also at record levels.
A South African mate summed it up.
"There is only one rule in Africa: the strongest tribe rules."
 
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#16
Mbeki is stupid enough that theoretically a 'land grab' could occur in SA, but if so I believe that some of the whites would actually fight it out - SA is not Zim after all.
 
#17
Being more personally involved in this than most ARRSEer's I feel pretty qualified to comment.

We used to farm about 150 km in land from Durban, and have sold out farm following my father in laws death. We are lucky that we sold it now as every farm between ours and town, about 15km away, is subject to a land claim. We successfully fought a land claim on our land 6 months ago.

Fair enough you may say, the whites stole the land, so give it back. B*llocks the land we farmed was never used by the locals. Back in 1820 the whole valley was empty and settled by one family whose decendedent still live in the area. The were able to get 2 zulus to work on the farm.

This story has been repeared across the county.

As far as fighting it out goes the Govt is wise to that. The commandos are being disbanded, and the new firearms laws are a joke. Everyone has to relicence over the next couple of years, but not one new licence has been issued since the law came into force. All this in the face of the worst murder figures in the world.

Mbeki will do what he likes because the west has not acted in Zim.

Its all about power and keeping it and if the constitution gets in the way then never mind.
 
#18
South Africa will go the same way every other nation run by blacks - straight down the toilet. I don't care if that sounds racist, it's still true. 20 years from now, Geldof will be telling us to "send your f"""""g money" to the strving kids in Jo'burg.
Sorry to hear about the SADF. One of the best armies in the world, dismatled by formar terrorists that could never hope to defeat the Boars in battle.
 
#19
hence, not if kicks off, but rather when it kicks off..... a lot of guys(officers and soldiers) serving here will be left in a sticky situation..... do they watch and allow their families and relatives back home to be kicked off of the land they own. Or do they give up their career and life to go back and stand by our families and friends. Be weary of the year 2014 as well.... some us know aleady that it is the year that the africans want south africa to finally be '100% africanised', make of it what you will. If the UN refuses to find / do any thing wrong with Mugabe or Rwanda... what the heck is the UN going to do about SA?
 
#20
Nothing, as per usual. My own experience of the dark continent is limited to a year's service in Sierra Leone, the so-called 'success story'. I don't claim to be an expert on Africa as a whole, but from what I've read, seen on TV and heard from others, what I've experienced could be translated to virtually any sub saharan nation, the only exclusion used to be SA. Corruption is endemic, the only way to get anything done is to bribe liberally(top of the list usually is the anti corruption police unit). This corruption is at all levels, and you can't really blame the Captain for selling his Company rations or turning a blind eye to smugglers when the top brass is raping the nation's treasury. All he's doing is following the locally proven (and tacitly approved path to success and riches. The UN in Africa are morally bankrupt and militarily incapable of any enforcement (anyone who witnessed the state of UNAMSIL in S-L will back me up I'm sure). IMHO, the only way fairness and prosperity can be reintroduced to African nations is by compulsion, and that sort of thing is frowned upon by the UN. Anyway if we strayed down that route, the next thing you know we'd have an Empire again, and naturally it would all be our fault.
 

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