South Africa gone down the Zimbabwe route.

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You lucky people. Living in a vast social experiment where few of the fixed values are particularly positive has always indicated a tricky outcome.
My sympathies.
Wonderful isn't it ?
But you must give the fucktards liberals of the western democracies credit for their one piece of good sense, in ensuring they kept their flagship social experiment a good hemisphere away from their own snug and smug existences.
 
Wonderful isn't it ?
But you must give the fucktards liberals of the western democracies credit for their one piece of good sense, in ensuring they kept their flagship social experiment a good hemisphere away from their own snug and smug existences.
I wouldn't be too sure about that. London (London!) is now the premier petri dish of the great experiment outside of Africa.
 

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I wouldn't be too sure about that. London (London!) is now the premier petri dish of the great experiment outside of Africa.
That's not the fault of the social engineering theorists, it's because of all the ungrateful bastards who wrecked the experiment by not remaining until the end.
 
You gettin' at me, pal?

I got the hell out of dodge because of water cuts, electricity cuts, corrupt coppers and politicos, malaria, helminthic issues and a paucity of cardiovascular expertise. I liked it otherwise.
 

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the problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other people's money.
Maggie said so.
Happening now in SA.
Going to PIC ... ie govt pension pot ... for $$$ is going to ruin the nation.
Just another source to loot
 

Robme

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No it will be alright in the end, they will obviously be appropriating the land ‘stollen’ by the Black Politico’s first so as to set an example wont they? Then they will be garn-Sheung their Swiss bank accounts.
No it will be all ok at the end of the day.
 

Robme

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The land throughout history was acquired and then defended by force of arms.
If another tribe wanted more grazing space for increasing herds, they moved into next door and took it, if they were hard enough.

That's all that whitey did.
I’m not sure you quite understand S/A history here? Prior to the arrival of the Dutch, there was an assumption by the Dutch, as the blacks hadn’t worked the land then the land was nobodies. Where as in fact, the indigenous population of the land were grazing the land with their cattle. Most tribes didn’t have a beef with each other and disputes tended to be over the tribal population. When slavery by the developed world took off, as the white man wouldn’t last 5 mins in the African hinterland, it was the various black tribes who saw the opportunity to settle old scores and acquire lots of beads/mirrors/etc in return for settling scores. No that is obviously a very truncated version of S/A history, so let’s not have a howling fan-dangle over my interpretation shall we?
 

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I’m not sure you quite understand S/A history here? Prior to the arrival of the Dutch, there was an assumption by the Dutch, as the blacks hadn’t worked the land then the land was nobodies. Where as in fact, the indigenous population of the land were grazing the land with their cattle. Most tribes didn’t have a beef with each other and disputes tended to be over the tribal population. When slavery by the developed world took off, as the white man wouldn’t last 5 mins in the African hinterland, it was the various black tribes who saw the opportunity to settle old scores and acquire lots of beads/mirrors/etc in return for settling scores. No that is obviously a very truncated version of S/A history, so let’s not have a howling fan-dangle over my interpretation shall we?
Reading The Washing of the Spears disabused me of the totally incorrect narrative I’d bought into during my time in, what was and I truly hope it becomes again, an amazing country. Shaka was a bit of a tinker wasn’t he??!
 
I’m not sure you quite understand S/A history here? Prior to the arrival of the Dutch, there was an assumption by the Dutch, as the blacks hadn’t worked the land then the land was nobodies. Where as in fact, the indigenous population of the land were grazing the land with their cattle. Most tribes didn’t have a beef with each other and disputes tended to be over the tribal population. When slavery by the developed world took off, as the white man wouldn’t last 5 mins in the African hinterland, it was the various black tribes who saw the opportunity to settle old scores and acquire lots of beads/mirrors/etc in return for settling scores. No that is obviously a very truncated version of S/A history, so let’s not have a howling fan-dangle over my interpretation shall we?
Yes.
Whitey Settlers, first dutch/boer, later Brits moving up from the Cape town area, later from Port Elizabeth/East London, meeting tribes moving down from present day Zambia and Zimbabwe... where they were escaping from Portuguese funded slavers, out of Angola and Mozambique.
Add to that the treaties signed bet ween Mswati and Basotho ... modern day Swaziland and Lesotho ... for white security in exchange for land/grazing rights.
VERY complicated.
 

Robme

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Yes.
Whitey Settlers, first dutch/boer, later Brits moving up from the Cape town area, later from Port Elizabeth/East London, meeting tribes moving down from present day Zambia and Zimbabwe... where they were escaping from Portuguese funded slavers, out of Angola and Mozambique.
Add to that the treaties signed bet ween Mswati and Basotho ... modern day Swaziland and Lesotho ... for white security in exchange for land/grazing rights.
VERY complicated.
You sort of missed out Apartheid there? Also the role of Europe’s Colonial raping of the continent. So complicated as you said, very.
 
You sort of missed out Apartheid there? Also the role of Europe’s Colonial raping of the continent. So complicated as you said, very.
Colonialism has always been a double edged sword to both parties - while it brought some good stuff (directly or indirectly), at the end of the day it was there to profit the rulers.
 
You sort of missed out Apartheid there? Also the role of Europe’s Colonial raping of the continent. So complicated as you said, very.
Yep. that apartheid came later.
though a form of it was practiced long before, while SA was under British rule, wit various Native Acts.
Add Indian and Coloured communities to the mix, and the complications increase.
Colonialism has always been a double edged sword to both parties - while it brought some good stuff (directly or indirectly), at the end of the day it was there to profit the rulers.
Depends on 'what have the Romans ever done for us' logic, Red.
Benign colonialism, where we are doing these benighted heathen a favour, or Congo/South West scenarios, where the natives were seen as pure slaves to be exploited?
Leopold did a great job of the latter, as did the Kaizer,
 

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