South Africa gone down the Zimbabwe route.

We'll never know, but Zim may have done a lot better with Muzorewa running things. Instead the west insisted their poster boy Mugabe got the job and held the elections to ransom until he won.

Thieves and thugs. The cANCer were known problem children with some dodgy backers.
I thought the original plan was to put Jo Nkomo in charge?
 

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Hmmm, that’s a toughy to figure out, you’d think the answer would be plain as black and white....
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I reckon any of the other possible despots, Nkomo, Sithole or Muzorewa would have been better than the despot we ended up with.
But as we all know, a promising start deteriorates - inevitably - into totalitarianism and starvation alongside the burgeoning Mercedes-Benz and Toyota dealerships. In Tanzania, we had an extremely promising candidate, Julius Nyerere; he of 'Uhuru na Umoja' fame. That all went south fairly quickly. Thank the gods for the World Bank, eh?

Edit: It's amazing to see how a failure to understand history - the real thing, not Socialist Worker's version - leads to such elementary, infantile mistakes and catastrophes, on such a grand scale. The same mistakes are repeated, time and again, everywhere. A sector of scientific brilliance can stop a virus in months, send a Jeep to Mars and count the black holes in the universe, but nobody can persuade the Twitter-users that it was beliefs like theirs which killed literally hundreds of people in the 20th century. No real societal progress, just hubris.
 
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I thought the original plan was to put Jo Nkomo in charge?

Despite Muzorewa being the locally popular candidate, Mugabe was the west's golden boy, particularly that of Carter and his sidekick Andrew Young. Carter refused to meet Muzorewa and pushed for Mugabe.

You can lay culpability for a lot of the subsequent Zim shit circus squarely at the door of Carter and Young.
 
But as we all know, a promising start deteriorates - inevitably - into totalitarianism and starvation alongside the burgeoning Mercedes-Benz and Toyota dealerships. In Tanzania, we had an extremely promising candidate, Julius Nyerere; he of 'Uhuru na Umoja' fame. That all went south fairly quickly. Thank the gods for the World Bank, eh?

Edit: It's amazing to see how a failure to understand history - the real thing, not Socialist Worker's version - leads to such elementary, infantile mistakes and catastrophes, on such a grand scale. The same mistakes are repeated, time and again, everywhere. A sector of scientific brilliance can stop a virus in months, send a Jeep to Mars and count the black holes in the universe, but nobody can persuade the Twitter-users that it was beliefs like theirs which killed literally hundreds of people in the 20th century. No real societal progress, just hubris.
I saw Sierra Leone exactly four months before the RUF began its insurgency and later as a civvie worked on a tanker, which had the misfortune of docking in the Ivory Coast and on both occasions, it astonished me to what extent the real Africa is so little misunderstood in the wider world.

Now the continent has embraced democracy, its probably gotten ten times worse the corruption, but more Suits than Combats and its certainly better for some and the rest are simply encouraged to move to europe, which is a sweet deal to fend of political problems.
 

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I saw Sierra Leone exactly four months before the RUF began its insurgency and later as a civvie worked on a tanker, which had the misfortune of docking in the Ivory Coast and on both occasions, it astonished me to what extent the real Africa is so little misunderstood in the wider world.

Now the continent has embraced democracy, its probably gotten ten times worse the corruption, but more Suits than Combats and its certainly better for some and the rest are simply encouraged to move to europe, which is a sweet deal to fend of political problems.


There was, for a change, something on BBC 4 last night which told a little of the absolute farcical levels corruption has reached in 2 African countries at least .. wse are talking $billions in cash floating around never mind $billions in gold & diamonds. Much of it sticking to the fingers of top ANC politicians in SA.
A Storyville documentary that goes inside the dark and mysterious world of spies, special forces and political insiders as they race to find Colonel Muammar Gaddafi’s billions.

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There was, for a change, something on BBC 4 last night which told a little of the absolute farcical levels corruption has reached in 2 African countries at least .. wse are talking $billions in cash floating around never mind $billions in gold & diamonds. Much of it sticking to the fingers of top ANC politicians in SA.
A Storyville documentary that goes inside the dark and mysterious world of spies, special forces and political insiders as they race to find Colonel Muammar Gaddafi’s billions.

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You know as well as I that the bucks are long gone.
It's one of the benefits of having one's people in the west claim the country is democratic.
 
There was, for a change, something on BBC 4 last night which told a little of the absolute farcical levels corruption has reached in 2 African countries at least .. wse are talking $billions in cash floating around never mind $billions in gold & diamonds. Much of it sticking to the fingers of top ANC politicians in SA.
A Storyville documentary that goes inside the dark and mysterious world of spies, special forces and political insiders as they race to find Colonel Muammar Gaddafi’s billions.

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I think it was added to the list of Zuma skullduggery which he managed to block at the time. IIRC, the Sudanese despot getting a free pass and dodging an Interpol warrant with Zuma's help overshadowed things somewhat, but as @Cutaway has mentioned, it's 'democratic' according to the useful idiots in the west, so nothing to see here, move along...
 
There was, for a change, something on BBC 4 last night which told a little of the absolute farcical levels corruption has reached in 2 African countries at least .. wse are talking $billions in cash floating around never mind $billions in gold & diamonds. Much of it sticking to the fingers of top ANC politicians in SA.
A Storyville documentary that goes inside the dark and mysterious world of spies, special forces and political insiders as they race to find Colonel Muammar Gaddafi’s billions.

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Africa from my optics has a three stage process:-
1. Post independence Kleptocrats who maxed out the Credit Card (Stevens/Momoh in SL).
2. An Interregnum which is usually violent.
3. A government acceptable to the western norms like Koroma/Bio, or increasingly one friendly to China which is a functioning government of patronage(corruption) where everyone who matters gets a payoff to keep the young people in check.

South africa must be unique in africa in not having a definable interregnum and one assumes its so big to fail that the west will always write another cheque.
 
...never mind $billions in gold & diamonds
Mind it, mind it. In every country I've worked in the extractive industries, considerable sums flow through 'governmental liaison', sometimes openly by way of royalties which have special components for, inter alia, protection - which it certainly describes well. Even when the Americans or Canadian owners are scared stiff of falling foul of the FCPA, at the highest strata there are understandings, which won't be apparent in the books. Once, when I asked the owner of my British company why there was an oddity in the books in London which didn't appear in those in-country (a sizeable black hole, in fact), I was taken aside and informed that the President was a joint but very silent partner of the enterprise; it was his pension fund, and invulnerable to the stock price.
Before the British B&C Act took force, the whole arena was a free-fire zone, so to speak, for British companies; not only willingly entered, but generally very carefully and competently accounted for. It was only those twats in the gutter press (Times etc) who spilt the beans and forced a bit of proper business practice on them. However, when the owner is, for instance, a Saudi or African national himself, those aren't issues which take up space in their worry-bank.
 
There was, for a change, something on BBC 4 last night which told a little of the absolute farcical levels corruption has reached in 2 African countries at least .. wse are talking $billions in cash floating around never mind $billions in gold & diamonds. Much of it sticking to the fingers of top ANC politicians in SA.
A Storyville documentary that goes inside the dark and mysterious world of spies, special forces and political insiders as they race to find Colonel Muammar Gaddafi’s billions.

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I was listening to a BBC World Service programme in which an English-sounding contributor was castigating The West in general and UK in particular for buying and distributing Covid vaccines for their own populations. I certainly don't have any ill-will for Africans - in fact quite the opposite. So long as Western politicians, NGOs and media commentators treat Africans as needy infants they will always be in trouble. It's time for some tough talk and tough love and an end to Kleptocracy as a system of government.
 
Despite Muzorewa being the locally popular candidate, Mugabe was the west's golden boy, particularly that of Carter and his sidekick Andrew Young. Carter refused to meet Muzorewa and pushed for Mugabe.

You can lay culpability for a lot of the subsequent Zim shit circus squarely at the door of Carter and Young.
The same carter who pushed for China to have most favored nation status. A trusting soul.
 
It was time for that ten years after Independence. If ten years wasn't enough for most of them, 60 bloody well should be.

When Uganda got independence my old man had to change his job title to Deputy Big Cheese of his government department. Nothing else - still the same pay, responsibilities and work load. The Big Cheese was a barely literate, (in any language) placeman from the new President's own clan. He was on twice my dad's wage but had an immediate family of dozens to feed and buy mercs for. So within days the annual budget was blown and the descent into madness began. The country never stood a chance.
 

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Edit: It's amazing to see how a failure to understand history - the real thing, not Socialist Worker's version - leads to such elementary, infantile mistakes and catastrophes, on such a grand scale. The same mistakes are repeated, time and again, everywhere. A sector of scientific brilliance can stop a virus in months, send a Jeep to Mars and count the black holes in the universe, but nobody can persuade the Twitter-users that it was beliefs like theirs which killed literally hundreds of people in the 20th century. No real societal progress, just hubris.

I'd posit that it is hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions. If it's not defunding charities that promote the use of condoms to combat the spread of AIDS by the USA religious right, it is setting the scene for Rwanda massacres (other examples are available) by destabilising regimes. Drawing those arbitrary borders must have seemed utterly without consequence to those that scribbled all over the map of Africa back in the day.
 
hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions.
How quickly we forget. Focus is softened, crimes reduced to 'incidents', killers treated with sympathy for their deficiencies and hatreds, graves ploughed over and planted with wheat.

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I apologise; my irony rises in line with the established Stella/Laphroaig metrics. My cynicism, though, is at apogee.
 
If any of you in SA know Reuben, could you please tell him l don’t wish to sell my property, seems he must have a desire to immigrate to rural Ontario.

In the past few days a rather ethnic looking chap has been putting these in all the local postboxes as what l can only conclude is a sad attempt at a scam.

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