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South Africa gone down the Zimbabwe route.

One thinks you're missing the point somewhat. Cuts-san refers to his mob, the amaZulu as not being high on the list of Herr Gandhi's favourites if I'm not mistaken.
 
One thinks you're missing the point somewhat. Cuts-san refers to his mob, the amaZulu as not being high on the list of Herr Gandhi's favourites if I'm not mistaken.
Yep.
Many Gandhi statues removed in Africa, cos he was 'anti-black'.
Ghana springs to mind.

 
Yep.
Many Gandhi statues removed in Africa, cos he was 'anti-black'.
Ghana springs to mind.


I presume then that BLM and many of the BAME apologists for Ghandi will want to protest at the Ghanaian embassy as they consider removing such statues an insult to the (nice) man. As Keith Vaz has stated that he will personally defend such statues. They point out, he was not perfect but that should not be held against him. That principle is of course stomped into the dirt when it comes to Churchill et al.


The hypocracy, duplicity and frankly exploitative nature of the Left, BLM, Labour etc. is why I despise them. To me it is axiomatic that they care not one jot for the suffering of the oppressed who are, in reality, just good cannon fodder in the fight for power, that being the only thing that the Left are interested in. Anyone can be sacrificed for the cause, they are no friends of mine and for that matter anyone else. Joining this lot is akin to selling your soul to the Devil.
 
I presume then that BLM and many of the BAME apologists for Ghandi will want to protest at the Ghanaian embassy as they consider removing such statues an insult to the (nice) man. As Keith Vaz has stated that he will personally defend such statues. They point out, he was not perfect but that should not be held against him. That principle is of course stomped into the dirt when it comes to Churchill et al.


The hypocracy, duplicity and frankly exploitative nature of the Left, BLM, Labour etc. is why I despise them. To me it is axiomatic that they care not one jot for the suffering of the oppressed who are, in reality, just good cannon fodder in the fight for power, that being the only thing that the Left are interested in. Anyone can be sacrificed for the cause, they are no friends of mine and for that matter anyone else. Joining this lot is akin to selling your soul to the Devil.
Indeed.
Some seem to forget it was the likes of Gandhi in India who set the whole independence ball rolling.
None of the African nations did, until post WW2.
And - irony of ironies - one of the first to give Britain the finger was.... South Africa, in 1948!
 

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Can you blame him. We might still be running India and a quartier of the world if some bonehead Afrikaner Ticket Inspector hadn't slung him off the train. Ghandi was very pro British Empire up until that point.
Anyone who is to visit his Empress and then pitches wearing only his rods and the bedsheet he slept in should be treated with caution.
 

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I presume then that BLM and many of the BAME apologists for Ghandi will want to protest at the Ghanaian embassy as they consider removing such statues an insult to the (nice) man. As Keith Vaz has stated that he will personally defend such statues. They point out, he was not perfect but that should not be held against him. That principle is of course stomped into the dirt when it comes to Churchill et al.


The hypocracy, duplicity and frankly exploitative nature of the Left, BLM, Labour etc. is why I despise them. To me it is axiomatic that they care not one jot for the suffering of the oppressed who are, in reality, just good cannon fodder in the fight for power, that being the only thing that the Left are interested in. Anyone can be sacrificed for the cause, they are no friends of mine and for that matter anyone else. Joining this lot is akin to selling your soul to the Devil.
 
Watching the news the other day (i think it was c4 news) and it had an interview with an MDC activist who having been sat on, started to shout about not been able to breathe and the zim police suggested, he was NOT george floyd, this is not America and in point of fact, they're are happy he can't breath.

You don't really need any white people at all, for some black people to find themselves oppressed.
 
The only thing the BBC has done about the Farm Murders is to publish, a few years ago now, a 'fact check' article which did it's best to undermine the truth of what's happening.
A criminal gets shot by police in the US and the BBC goes ape, white and black farm workers are murdered in SA and it completely ignored.
Not just the BBC - no one in authority here is interested.
Is that the bbc.co.uk or bbc.com site? The .com site is usually more open because it officially can't be accessed from UK IPs. Because am always on a VPN the .com site is the one that shows.

example

 
Is that the bbc.co.uk or bbc.com site? The .com site is usually more open because it officially can't be accessed from UK IPs. Because am always on a VPN the .com site is the one that shows.

example

It was BBC.co.uk.

Here is a Google link


but also the text of the story, if you cannot see it via VPN:

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South Africa white farmers condemned for storming Senekal courthouse​

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Image copyrightREINT DYKEMA/AFRIFORUM
Protesters in Senekal

Image captionWhite farmers say the government is not doing enough to protect them
South Africa's government has condemned an "anarchic" protest by white farmers who stormed a court building and burnt a police vehicle on Tuesday.
Police reportedly fired stun grenades to disperse protesters, who were demanding that two men detained over a farmer's murder be handed over to them.
Some protesters held placards reading "Boer Lives Matter". Boer is an Afrikaans word which refers to farmers.
The killing of white farmers is a highly emotive issue in South Africa.
Some conservative groups say the farmers are victims of a genocide and the government is not doing enough to protect them.
The government dismisses the allegation, saying the farmers are victims of crime in remote areas and efforts are being made to step up security.
Afrikaans-speaking farm owners were a bedrock of support for the system of apartheid, which legalised discrimination against black people.
Decades of white-minority rule ended in 1994, with Nelson Mandela becoming South Africa's first black president.
What was apartheid? A 90-second look back at decades of injustice
Video captionWhat was apartheid? A 90-second look back at decades of injustice

What happened at court?​

The latest flashpoint of tension was the rural town of Senekal in Free State province following the brutal murder of 21-year-old Brendin Horner.
His body was found on Friday tied to a pole on the farm he managed.
He had been killed by suspected stock thieves, local media reported.
Two men - Sekwetje Mahlamba and Sekola Matlaletsa - appeared in Senekal Magistrate's Court on Tuesday over his murder. They have not yet been asked to plead.
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A farmer protesting in Senekal

Image captionProtesters demanded the resignation of South Africa's Police Minister Bheki Cele
Several hundred farmers, some of them in tractors, arrived at the court to protest against Mr Horner's killing.
The demonstration descended into chaos, with police saying protesters fired two shots but no-one was injured. A spokesman for the protesters denied the allegation.
"They damaged the court property while forcing their way to the court cells. A police van parked outside the building was also overturned and burned," police spokesman Motansi Makhele said.


In a statement on Wednesday, Justice Minister Ronald Lamola described the violence as "anarchic", and an "inexcusable assault on the rule of law".
"The disturbing scenes of members of the public damaging property have no place in a free and democratic South Africa," he added.

'Lack of faith in justice system'​


The clash between the police and farmers outside the Senekal Magistrate's Court is about more than vandalism or a public spectacle. It reflects a lack of faith in the justice system.
The farmers demanded that the murder suspects be handed over to them, presumably to administer their own justice. It is an uncomfortable development. If left unchecked, some say, it could lead to vigilantism.
For years white farmers have said that they are under siege, being killed on their properties - seemingly without much state intervention. The government's response has been that crime finds its way into everyone's home. And that they are doing what they can to fight it.
Statistics suggest that the majority of victims of crime are black, but that is because black people are the majority, and are disproportionately exposed to some of the factors that fuel crime - inequality, poverty and unemployment.
South Africa is a tale of two countries and it does not take much for problems to become racialised. It is a sign of the tensions that are always simmering just beneath the surface.

More on this story​

South Africa's 'toxic' race relations​

18 December 2018


South Africa: The groups playing on the fears of a 'white genocide’​

01 September 2018


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...Or the peaceful protests against foreigners/lack of services/council corruption/late trains/blacks killed by whites/unpaid uni fees/students failing exams/any other thing that pisses off a focus group that week.

 
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Not my words but good words…


A guy I know and respect recently called for calm and consideration following these recent development in this saga. I agree with him, and I will explain why below. But he also dropped the age old libtard bumper sticker "There are no winners in a war. Ever.". So let me just start by stating that that is one of the most idiotic, uneducated and naïve statements. Ever.

And if you do not agree with me? Crack a fucking book.

So why do I support a call for calm and consideration?

The ANC has been haemorrhaging support over the last few years. And believe me, they have noticed it. This loss of support has gotten a massive push lately by their inept, ideologically driven and criminal handling of the Covid pandemic. Not to mention a growing awareness of the damage done by their corruption among their grassroots supporters who are realizing they are never going to "get a taste" of the action. The ANC leadership has noted this too. They are absolutely aware that their support is waning, and that their losing an election in the foreseeable future may be a possibility.

So what will they do to fight this?

Here you have to remind yourself that the ANC has no interest in the wellbeing of this country, but it has an absolute and unnegotiable interest in staying in power. Or in other words, the ANC has no problem with the country being burned to the ground, as long as they remain in power.

To remain in power indefinitely, they know they have to do four things. And instead of addressing these four things in ideological and abstract terms, I am going to just cut to the chase and tell you exactly what they are.

1) They have to co-opt the armed forces and turn them into a tool that will do their bidding without question. This process is sadly well underway. The SAPS is now completely a political enforcement agency, with very little regard for anything else. Since it is a political agency in the mould of the ANC, it is also mostly immoral and criminal. It was crystal clear during the last protest in Senekal that the SAPS were under instructions to start a fight. Even if this meant running down children with an armoured vehicle (which they tried). The behaviour of the SAPS during the past few months at protests by minority groups against government excesses speak for themselves. And during this same period, the government has gotten the SAPS to easily and willingly terrorize and suppress South African civilians. Remember the videos of multiple police vehicles descending on houses to arrest and criminalise people for mowing their lawns? Those incidents, and hundreds of thousands like them, showed the police's willingness to abandon all pretence of duty, and instead act wholly and without pause purely on political instruction. During this last week we finally went back into the era where people are being arrested for expressing their political beliefs, and detained at undisclosed locations. One could write books full discussing this point and the others, but for the sake of brevity, let us leave it at that.

2) Disarm the population. This process is also sadly well underway. The founding fathers of the world's most successful democracy knew the value of an armed population. We easily get lulled into forgetting that, especially in countries that are stable and peaceful (for now). But we forget this at the peril of our children. A disarmed population is an open invitation to the disregard of the judiciary, and the absolute suppression of the press. These are supposedly the other two pillars that a free country stands on. And what we forget is that, to destroy those, you do not need to attack the judiciary system, nor do you have to fight the press. All you have to do is render the civilian population defenceless. After that, you can pretty much do as you like. Or to put it in simpler terms: Disarm the population, and you do not HAVE to win any more elections. Simple as that.

3) Appear to be tackling tough issues that are eroding support. In SA, this is corruption. And what we have seen recently is a public attempt to APPEAR to be tackling it. What it really is, is the prosecution of some lackeys and cut outs, and (note this!) only in a very narrowly focused field (for example PPE tenders recently). This will slow down the erosion of support, while, in the big picture, not really impacting the big players in the least.

4) Start a war. This is the oldest trick in the book. In our case though, and in the politics of our time and geography, there is not much of a chance of that. A war against an outside enemy would unify us and would, as always, bring support for a government, but no such opportunities are on the table. So it has to be an inner war. Or a civil one if you will. Where the "aggressor" is an invented group within the country, and the support base of the party is then set against them. This works pretty well. It does lead mostly to substantial damage to a country, but as I stated above, remember the ANC has NO interest in the country, only in STAYING IN POWER. The natural targeted minority group for the ANC are simply white people. They know if they can set things up so that white people START a war, their loss of support to disillusionment, radicalisation and education will be halted. They also know that if they can hang onto power through such a war, then through their increased total control of the SAPS and SANDF, and the laws they can enact during it, they will them be able stay in power forever. Of course the best way to ensure that they do stay in power and do not lose such a war, is to first completely or at least partially disarm civilians. And as I mentioned before, this process has been underway for twenty years.

So, if you are heading down to any protest, be aware of this. Be very awake to the fact that the government is going to try to use you to throw the first punch. Because once that punch is thrown by you, there is no limit to what they get to do in retaliation. See what they did to your country on the basis of a virus with a 99% plus survival rate? And they were not even really scared of that. They are however, at the core, scared to death of the likes of you. And they would like nothing better than for you to give them an excuse to fight from a moral high ground. And if there has to be a fight in this country, believe me, that high ground is going to be important.

Not to mention, allowing the government to provoke you into a fight, at a time and place of THEIR choosing, is... militarily at least ... let us say...fucked up.

So, before you do anything, if you are so inclined, then first recite Shepard's Prayer – "Dear Lord, please don't let me phucque up".

But whichever way you are inclined, DO also please say to yourself the Shepard Prayer, which is perhaps, at this moment in our history, highly relevant.
 
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AAAH!
Here's news...
Police minister Bheki Cele has revealed that one of the men arrested for killing Senekal farm manager Brendin Horner had been arrested 16 times.

“People that we have arrested there, one of them has been arrested twice, but the other one has been arrested 16 times ...

“I would like to know why a person who has been arrested 16 times is still given another chance to commit another crime,” he said.


No wonder the farmers were a tad pissed off with the 'justice' system.
 
...“I would like to know why a person who has been arrested 16 times is still given another chance to commit another crime,” he said...

I'm sure the irony of that statement completely escapes Cele.

Could it be that your cops are useless and politicised by the party who owns you, to the point where the lives of whites and those opposed to the ANC are an irrelevance?
 
AAAH!
Here's news...
Police minister Bheki Cele has revealed that one of the men arrested for killing Senekal farm manager Brendin Horner had been arrested 16 times.

“People that we have arrested there, one of them has been arrested twice, but the other one has been arrested 16 times ...

“I would like to know why a person who has been arrested 16 times is still given another chance to commit another crime,” he said.


No wonder the farmers were a tad pissed off with the 'justice' system.

It is a problem in many places, the UK being a perfect example of the idea that recidivists who think the judicial system laughable and who will clearly carry on victimising others with impunity should be given chance after chance as that is what civilised societies do.


I would say it is what stupid societies do, or at least those where the actual victims are left to be eaten by the wolves whilst the do gooders who run the show make sure they live in wolf free areas. And the do gooders seem genuinely puzzled when voters (with their one chance to make a statement on public affairs) are voting for the so called strong man law and order types, sadly they too are wolves.
 

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AAAH!
Here's news...
Police minister Bheki Cele has revealed that one of the men arrested for killing Senekal farm manager Brendin Horner had been arrested 16 times.

“People that we have arrested there, one of them has been arrested twice, but the other one has been arrested 16 times ...

“I would like to know why a person who has been arrested 16 times is still given another chance to commit another crime,” he said.


No wonder the farmers were a tad pissed off with the 'justice' system.
Would that be the Bheki Cele who wants to take all firearms from private ownership and ensure there's no way to protect oneself from the government and other criminals ?
 

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