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Discussion in 'Afghanistan' started by singha61, Dec 19, 2012.

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  1. Announcement on Afghanistan on BBC Radio 5 Live now

    London Evening Standard
    4,000 UK troops could leave next year in speedier Afghan pull-out
    David Cameron today announced a significant withdrawal of British troops from Afghanistan which could see 4,000 return home next year.

    Downing Street said that progress by Afghan forces in taking charge of security was happening quicker than planned. The proposed pull-down would see troops return in roughly equal numbers in two stages, next year and in 2014.

    The Prime Minister has pledged to end Britain’s combat role in Afghanistan by the end of 2014, with a small number of personnel remaining to train local troops. UK troops are already being cut from 9,500 to 9,000 before Christmas. Allied forces are expected to see their final summer “fighting season” next year, after which the British contingent could fall to around 5,000.

    Mr Cameron has agreed with President Barack Obama that there are “further opportunities” for personnel to be brought home over the next 12 months. The two leaders covered the situation in an hour-long video call. Downing Street said: “They discussed progress on the plan to hand security responsibility from the International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) to the Afghan National Security Forces and agreed that the Nato strategy to withdraw combat troops from Afghanistan by the end of 2014 was on track.
    4,000 UK troops could leave next year in speedier Afghan pull-out - UK - News - London Evening Standard
  2. OldSnowy

    OldSnowy LE Moderator Book Reviewer

    "will" - and if you don't think that planning for this has been going on for a loooong time, then you're even more naive than the media :)
  3. How dare you spoil carefully planned spin.
  4. It says "could" in the report. I know the draw down plans, and the 4000 troops are extra curricular to the current plans. Hence the "could"

    This is talking about 2013, not 2014.
  5. Political grandstanding - cnut!

    Move along please - nothing to see here.
  6. The question is should they be?

    Are the Afghans ready? Especially training and logistically?

    The last thing you want is to have to go back in 5/10 years.

    Would it not be a good idea for high level/strategic enablers to remain? Eg NATO to remain responsible for parts of officer and NCO training, small teams in HQs to assist ops, planning and training?

    Yes this is where the risk from blue (terry in blue) on blue is but it makes sure the job that was started is finished.

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  7. No they're not. There are certain places in Afg that the ANA/ANP will not patrol unless they have CF callsigns alongside them. They simply refuse to rock up. Until this is resolved then pulling out will mean that all our efforts have been for nothing.

    It's the Russians turn again next time.....and 5/10 years is too long.
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  8. msr

    msr LE

    Or India v Pakistan in a proxy war, with the Iranians stirring things up?
  9. Can it be resolved?
  10. We all know the answer to there, apart from it seems the politicians.
  11. From Orbit.....only way to be sure..
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  12. The current govt sees Afghanistan as pointless and is pulling out just as fast as it possibly can. What else could they do, particularly as the US is also lunging for the exits ?
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  13. Surge didn't work. Different tactics are required, rather then the same ones they used in Vietnam regurgitated for Afghanistan. An understanding of the area and people. Whatever happens, there is now a commitment and deadline to lose the war that is unstoppable.