Sorry? Fcuking sorry?!

#1
I know this is missing the boat after it's already sailed, and probably even sunk; but fcuking hell this current govn should be dragged over the fcuking coals for the Nimrod fiasco and various other mod/sleaze/healthcare etc fcuk ups.

Instead of "sorry" I want to see civil servants or whoever charged with criminal negligence. What about dragging TCD (that cnut Drayson) back from his well timed career break "racing cars" and investigate his links to dodgy medical companies and the lack of fire extinguishers in Nimrod bombbays etc.

How about some consequences for fcuks ups? I fcuk up in my job I get dragged infront of bosses, I can easily be sacked and if I'm a really naughty boy I can have my qualifications taken away from me.
What about the consequences of fcuk ups for those out on Herrick and Telic?

I'm sick to the back fcuking teeth of this bunch of cnuts fcuking about the things that I hold dear. I'm now seriously considering moving abroad (for those of you with long memories two years ago I was calling people wimps etc for just abandoning the country rather than trying to make it better), things have just gone so downhill. The Tory party is probably a worse option than TC Brown.

So, I have had my little outlet of rage, it's not really helped, but if people wish to suggest ways of calling these people to account feel free.

Personally I'd love to see half of new labour squirm infront of a public jury on TV as they're asked some very difficult questions. After Ian Blair has gone of course, if he didn't have something on the Labour leadership he'd have gone for incompetence by now...
 
#2
Sorry is the new denial. Where beforehand everyhing was just denied and swept under the table.

Now you can just apologise showing your true integrity and honesty...then sweep it under the table and close the case

w+nkers
 
#3
thegimp said:
Sorry is the new denial. Where beforehand everyhing was just denied and swept under the table.

Now you can just apologise showing your true integrity and honesty...then sweep it under the table and close the case

w+nkers
This goes back to early B liars years in power, as now we have SO many so-called managers, managing so-called managers, there is no one who could take blame and do the honourable thing, "Throw themselves on their blood soaked swords" and do us all a favour!
 
#4
I am waiting to hear one of them say sorry as if they mean sorry for what happened, as opposed to sorry I appear to have to almost admit that is a fault of mine/my department/my responsibility.
 
#5
CharlieBubbles said:
thegimp said:
Sorry is the new denial. Where beforehand everyhing was just denied and swept under the table.

Now you can just apologise showing your true integrity and honesty...then sweep it under the table and close the case

w+nkers
This goes back to early B liars years in power, as now we have SO many so-called managers, managing so-called managers, there is no one who could take blame and do the honourable thing, "Throw themselves on their blood soaked swords" and do us all a favour!
I seem to remember that the last politician who resigned on a point of honour due to a failing of his department was Lord Carrington who was in the Foreign Office at the start of the Falklands war, his dept. was responsible for the Commonwealth so as his dept was culpable he resigned before anybody suggested it.
However many a beer has been supped over the years s the grey matter could be suspect
 

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#6
No one (apart from husbands) apologises any more.
The governing party, when the bugger everything up, hold a review. Then issue prelimanary staments, hold a further review, with promises of a 'Full and Far-Reacing Enquiry'. Then leak a few salient points.
When eventually the dust has settled slightly, the trite phrases come out.

"Lessons have been learned" Really? What balls!

" Time to draw a line under it and move on" Yep, to next gravy train and upcoming cock-up.

Honour is an old and out-moded concept now, in public life.
 
#7
"We're terribly, terribly sorry that they all died. But we're not sorry for the years of ignoring the repair bill because we wanted to blow the cash on life peerages for our mates and donors, nor are we sorry for the deliberate decisions we took to send people to war at the least possible cost.

Now, that's a line drawn under the issue, so we can, learn lessons, put in place measures, review our procedures and move on. Does anybody have a Colonial outrage we can apologise for while we're here?"

Honour?! They thinks it's to do with Party funding.
 
#8
Unfortunately in some quarters, HONOUR & SINCERITY are now 4 letter words and teflon shoulders are a requirement.......

Until they develop a sense on Honour then things will never change and only get worse
 
#9
We're terribly sorry that after investing billions in the new Eurofighter to provide Britain with a dog fighting, close-in, interceptor air craft, we won't now be fitting any guns to it. The bullets are jolly expensive you see! We only have the tax payers interests at heart.

We are aware that we could strap Air to Air missiles on almost any low cost airframe and it would do the same job, but it wouldn't be the same now would it.
 
#10
cernunnos said:
We're terribly sorry that after investing billions in the new Eurofighter to provide Britain with a dog fighting, close-in, interceptor air craft, we won't now be fitting any guns to it. The bullets are jolly expensive you see! We only have the tax payers interests at heart.

We are aware that we could strap Air to Air missiles on almost any low cost airframe and it would do the same job, but it wouldn't be the same now would it.
Not true, I'm afraid, the Eurofighter is getting a gun. A Mauser, I believe.

This should not detract, however, from the utter failings of the incumbent government (and, to be fair, previous governments) to provide for the Forces.
 
#11
As you may have gathered the word sorry actually means "I am sorry that I got caught".

It has nothing to do with real regret or taking responsibilty for your actions.

It is a get out phrase and nothing more.
 
#12
boelynbulldog said:
I seem to remember that the last politician who resigned on a point of honour due to a failing of his department was Lord Carrington who was in the Foreign Office at the start of the Falklands war, his dept. was responsible for the Commonwealth so as his dept was culpable he resigned before anybody suggested it.
Last year as part of my course we were being taught about ministerial responsibility. The main cases that came up were the Critchel Down affair, the Westland affair and Lord Carrington's departure. None of which, as you state are particuarly recent examples.
 

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#13
We are really, really sorry that the MOD fcuked up, yes we are, and no, it had nothing to do with the fact that we didn't give them enough money, nosirree, it was them it was, they didn't do it, but I told them, I said "Listen, even though you've got no money to do anything with, because WE'VE hacked the budget back, leaving you with no money, you MUST, I say MUST spend the nothing you have left on extinguishers, bolted on to new, not 37 year old planes that you haven't got, because WE haven't given you the money, mmmmkay?"

So you see, even though I, myself am apologising, I feel it incumbent upon myself and this gobment to not only apologise, but blame it on the underfunded MOD at the same time, and then brush it, er, sorry, er, move on, yes, that's it, move forward.
 
#14
cernunnos said:
We're terribly sorry that after investing billions in the new Eurofighter to provide Britain with a dog fighting, close-in, interceptor air craft, we won't now be fitting any guns to it. The bullets are jolly expensive you see! We only have the tax payers interests at heart.

We are aware that we could strap Air to Air missiles on almost any low cost airframe and it would do the same job, but it wouldn't be the same now would it

That is very very cynical :D :D
 

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#15
After this story came out, they interviewed some crab-air representative and he said something along the lines of "We do the best we can to maintain these aircraft, and we don't like to lose good men, however, they ARE 37 years old, and we don't have an alternative".

The subtext was "Give us some fcuking money, and we'll stop flying dinosaurs".
 
#16
Whilst it was very nice for Swiss Des to apologise to the House, the real scandal was that 'The House' was almost empty. Very few of our elected representatives on either benches. Considering the amount of our cash these charlatans claim in expenses. What the f***ing hell do they DO all day?
 
#17
Below is an extract from Hansard dated 25 May 1995

Nimrod Aircraft
Dr. David Clark: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence which company is responsible for the maintenance and support of the Nimrod aircraft which crashed off the coast of Scotland on 16 May; when the contract with the company commenced; how many of his Department's aircraft are maintained by this company; who was responsible for the maintenance and support of the Nimrod aircraft before this contract came into force; and if he will list the dates and circumstances of any previous accidents involving Nimrod aircraft in the last five years. [26090]

Mr. Soames: Maintenance and servicing of RAF Nimrod aircraft is currently undertaken by RAF personnel at the Nimrod major servicing unit at RAF Kinloss. As a result of the "Competing for Quality" initiative, the work of the NMSU has been market tested and FRA Serco will assume responsibility for Nimrod servicing next month.

It basicaly meant that up until 1995 the Nimrod was serviced by specialy trained servicemen at RAF Kinloss, (home of the Nimrod)
However "as a result of the "Competing for Quality" initiative" ie. putting the contract out to tender, then chosing the cheapest one. the servicing has subsiquently been done by 9 to 5 civies who don't really care if the job is bodged, after all it's not their oppos who will be flying in it.

It just goes to show that the armed forces are being, and have been screwed for a very long time.
 
#18
Not just that, but maintained by Serco - bag of shit, really. Employs anyone who apllies, it seems, without any consideration of the importance of its work.

Only employees who are any good are the ex-service personnel.
 
#19
thegimp said:
Sorry is the new denial. Where beforehand everyhing was just denied and swept under the table.

Now you can just apologise showing your true integrity and honesty...then sweep it under the table and close the case

w+nkers
Never a truer word spoken. You missed one thing out though thegimp. The "it's my fault i resign" bit only to be included in another equally well paid role in the next few months cunts the lot of them
 
#20
As with most politicians the word "sorry" seems to be the way that they are able to put closure on what is a mistake of their own making. They bandy around moaning pangs of guilt and appreciation to the small listening masses, however don't even address the major issue of what will be done to make the situation safer. Most of all who is both accountable and responsible for the fiasco.
I hear what he says, however by now the weight of his words is drowned out with the diplomatic running of taps to wash his hands of the situation. Living in a padded cell of power isolation far from reality apparently has this effect!
Personally the truth and politics really never made good bed friends, and possibly never will where forces issues are concerned. All around a sad and totally reversable situation that should never have happened in the first place.


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