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1997


An allegedly controversial prorogation occurred in the run-up to the 1997 General Election. Two Conservative MPs had been accused of taking money for submitting questions to parliament, and the report of the Committee on Standards in Public Life was scheduled in response. The then Prime Minister, and leader of the Conservative and Unionist Party, John Major, prorogued parliament to avoid the embarrassment of the report, in advance of a general election, which the government lost by a landslide, providing some form of accountability.
Not quite "on this day" but topical none the less.

1948


Parliament has not been prorogued by a government as a means of circumventing parliamentary opposition to government policy since 1948. That instance of prorogation was used by the Labour government, which instituted a short session of Parliament to overcome the House of Lord's obstruction to what would become the Parliament Act, 1949.


The session began on 14 September and ended on 25 October, 1948.


Clement Attlee was invited by King George VI to form the Attlee ministry in July 1945, succeeding Winston Churchill as Prime Minister. The Labour Party had won a landslide victory at the 1945 general election, enacting much of the post-war consensus policies, especially, the welfare state and the nationalisation of some industries.


Attlee went on to win a narrow majority of five seats at the 1950 general election, forming the second Attlee ministry. Just twenty months after that election, Attlee called a new election for 25 October, 1951, in an attempt to gain a larger majority, but was narrowly defeated by the Conservatives.

 

Joe_Private

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On ROPs
Spent 4 days reading this thread at work. Jesus, that BigRonW waffled some bollocks.
Indeed he did. He did, however, manage to restrict it to a four day period. His first post on this thread can be found here, and it goes only a few pages to p105. Look out for the white text, by the way.
 

MrMemory

War Hero
Listening to Polish MP Daniel Kawczynski this morning on the radio speaking very movingly of how his Great Uncle was made watch his daughter being shot by the Nazis and then made to dig his own grave before being murdered himself.

Kawczynski is seeking support to take out a private prosecution against Germany who he says were, due to a 1953 agreement with Stalin were never made to pay reparations for the genocide sacking of Poland committed by troops from East Germany.

Since German re-unification there have apparently been payments of a few billion Euros, but it's reckoned that around 700 billion is still outstanding.

More about it on Wiki

Just goes to show the past is never over.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
Listening to Polish MP Daniel Kawczynski this morning on the radio speaking very movingly of how his Great Uncle was made watch his daughter being shot by the Nazis and then made to dig his own grave before being murdered himself.
I wonder how this is known?
 

MrMemory

War Hero
I wonder how this is known?
According to Kawczynski it was a punishment for hiding Jews, so presumably some sort of judicial process and therefore records were kept.

I did find it a little strange as Kawczynski is well known as a cheerleader for Saudi Arabia whose attitude towards the Jews is less than charitable.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
According to Kawczynski it was a punishment for hiding Jews, so presumably some sort of judicial process and therefore records were kept.

I did find it a little strange as Kawczynski is well known as a cheerleader for Saudi Arabia whose attitude towards the Jews is less than charitable.
Sounds like a polish version of the four yorkeshiremen
 
According to Kawczynski it was a punishment for hiding Jews, so presumably some sort of judicial process and therefore records were kept.

I did find it a little strange as Kawczynski is well known as a cheerleader for Saudi Arabia whose attitude towards the Jews is less than charitable.
This guy is insane. Nothing he says is consistent. And his high-handed “I was born in Poland, I know more than you” is childish.
Still, as a conservative, he’s a good guy, right?
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
This guy is insane. Nothing he says is consistent. And his high-handed “I was born in Poland, I know more than you” is childish.
Still, as a conservative, he’s a good guy, right?
A cock is a cock regardless
 
Listening to Polish MP Daniel Kawczynski this morning on the radio speaking very movingly of how his Great Uncle was made watch his daughter being shot by the Nazis and then made to dig his own grave before being murdered himself.

Kawczynski is seeking support to take out a private prosecution against Germany who he says were, due to a 1953 agreement with Stalin were never made to pay reparations for the genocide sacking of Poland committed by troops from East Germany.

Since German re-unification there have apparently been payments of a few billion Euros, but it's reckoned that around 700 billion is still outstanding.

More about it on Wiki

Just goes to show the past is never over.
The EU may be at that rate
 
The first ever recorded Air-jacking!

Yep, swaggering Colonial RAF pilot too...

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Goatman

ADC
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The Tsarist secret police , the Okhrana, opened an office in Paris in the 1880s.

Besides it's own Russian agents, it employed retired detectives from the French version of MI-5, the Sûreté .

SOURCE

The Okhrana's relations with the Sûreté were symbiotic.

The Okhrana reduced the Sûreté 's workload and provided employment for retired French detectives.
The French police did not see the Paris bureau as a threat to French national interests or to the Sûreté's organizational equities.

On the eve of World War I the French security service declared: "It is impossible, on any objective assessment, to deny the usefulness of having a Russian police [force] operating in Paris, whether officially or not, whose presence is to keep under surveillance the activities of Russian revolutionaries." (12)

At the same time, socialist and radical deputies in the French Assembly, who were more sympathetic to the Russian revolutionaries than to the police, pressed the French and Russian Governments to shut down the Okhrana office.

In 1913 the Russian regime formally complied by announcing the office's closure. But this was a subterfuge; the Russian police continued operating under the cover of the Agence Bint et Sambain, a private detective agency. One of the two proprietors, Henri Bint, was a former employee of both the Sûreté and the Okhrana.


In the 1980s Oleg Gordievsky confirmed that Okhrana training manuals were still in use in his early training as a KGB officer.

Agent provocateur is a French term, but the Russians perfected the art. In fact, the primary purpose of the Foreign Bureau's provocations was to scare the French into taking action against Russian radicals and cooperating with the Okhrana. The most notorious provocation occurred in Paris in 1890, when Arkadiy Harting (a.k.a. Abraham Gekel'man or Landezen) organized a well-armed team of bombthrowers and then betrayed them to the Paris police. These heavily publicized arrests helped persuade the French public of the dangers posed by Russian revolutionaries in France. The episode also convinced officials in St. Petersburg that republican France could get tough on Russian radicals and make a good ally. To some extent, at least, this helped diminish mutual suspicions and created an atmosphere on both sides conducive to negotiation of the Franco-Russian alliance of 1891
 
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Goatman

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In WW1, the Imperial Japanese Navy sent 9 ships to operate in the Mediterranean alongside their RN counterparts, as part of their commitment to the Anglo-Japanese Alliance, signed in 1902.

SOURCE




On 4 May 1917, Sakaki and Matsu took part in the rescue of the passengers of British transport SS Transylvania, which was sinking after being torpedoed off the Gulf of Genoa, almost 3,000 people were saved. The British Admiralty later sent a telegram congratulating [Admiral Kozo Satō] for the service of his men on that occasion.
 
I wonder how this is known?
Possibly witnessed by Polish neighbours who would have been left in no doubt about what they could expect if they were caught sheltering Jews.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
Sounds more like made up
 

Trans-sane

LE
Book Reviewer
Sounds more like made up
The specific incident... maybe[/] but incidents like this were fairly endemic during the occupation and often were done publicly so the neighbors would know the Germans weren't ******* about. There would be ample examples if he wanted to make up the story. But stuff like that DID happen rather a lot (and under the Russians when the hidden were polish nationalists).
 

Goatman

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Book Reviewer
The connection between Disney's ' Chitty Chitty Bang-Bang ' and the Crimean War ?

Sally-Ann Howes, the actress who played Miss Truly Scrumptious - her Great Grandfather won the newly-minted Victoria Cross at the Charge of the Light Brigade.....
 

AlienFTM

MIA
Book Reviewer
The connection between Disney's ' Chitty Chitty Bang-Bang ' and the Crimean War ?

Sally-Ann Howes, the actress who played Miss Truly Scrumptious - her Great Grandfather won the newly-minted Victoria Cross at the Charge of the Light Brigade.....
I thought the name Joseph Malone sounded familiar. We share a regimental association through amalgamation.
 

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