Something From History You Probably Never Knew...

Indeed-Slim was no supporter of Wingate: however, Wavell was a believer and Wingate was protected by his later patronage.

I suspect that Wingate, if medically assessed now, would probably be regarded as borderline autistic/bi-polar: he consumed large amounts of raw onions as he believed that such were the cornerstone of a healthy diet. In the field, he had the habit of receiving visitors to his tent whilst naked. It was something of a surprise to learn that he was allowed to continue serving as a failed suicide!

An odd fish indeed.
I'm trawling through one of those "Forgotten Voices" books at the moment, this one about The Forgotten Army, the 14th in Burma.
Wingate is not really spoken of with much affection or respect by many of those under him. The vast majority seem very critical of his leadership skills & tactics once they deployed.
This is not to denigrate the Chindits, the idea was a sound one and they aquitted themselves well but Wingate's methods & decisions are often the subject of criticism.
It seems he was not well liked by many of his subalterns.
 
Out of all the Soviet males born in 1923, an estimated 80 percent didn’t survive the war.

The Treatment of Soviet POWs: Starvation, Disease, and Shootings, June 1941–January 1942

' By February 1942, 2,000,000 of the 3,300,000 Soviet soldiers in German custody up to that point had died from starvation, exposure, disease, or shooting. '
I'm only surprised that the survival rate was so high. I read somewhere that the wartime survival rate for Soviet males born in 1924 was 1%. This figure has stuck in my head because both of my maternal grandparents were born in August 1924. My grandmother was one of Lord Haw Haw's "Aycliffe Angels". My grandfather was an engine fireman on the railways and therefore in a reserved occupation.
 

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I'm trawling through one of those "Forgotten Voices" books at the moment, this one about The Forgotten Army, the 14th in Burma.
Wingate is not really spoken of with much affection or respect by many of those under him. The vast majority seem very critical of his leadership skills & tactics once they deployed.
This is not to denigrate the Chindits, the idea was a sound one and they aquitted themselves well but Wingate's methods & decisions are often the subject of criticism.
It seems he was not well liked by many of his subalterns.
Well, he was mad as a box of frogs!
 
I'm only surprised that the survival rate was so high. I read somewhere that the wartime survival rate for Soviet males born in 1924 was 1%. This figure has stuck in my head because both of my maternal grandparents were born in August 1924. My grandmother was one of Lord Haw Haw's "Aycliffe Angels". My grandfather was an engine fireman on the railways and therefore in a reserved occupation.
Had to look up "Aycliffe Angels" and were taken to the web site which said "Few official records of these accidents exist, perhaps because of the secrecy surrounding the plant, which was infiltrated by several German spies during the War." I was under the impression that there was minimal German spies in the UK as the counter spying by Uk intelligence was excellent. There may have been lots of Soviet spies but no German ones.
 
Had to look up "Aycliffe Angels" and were taken to the web site which said "Few official records of these accidents exist, perhaps because of the secrecy surrounding the plant, which was infiltrated by several German spies during the War." I was under the impression that there was minimal German spies in the UK as the counter spying by Uk intelligence was excellent. There may have been lots of Soviet spies but no German ones.
I've just had a quick Google of the term and one of the articles mentions that there was no official recognition of the workers there. However my nanna told me that she actually got a medal for the work that she did there. As granda's brother picked up a MM and bar the family knew a bit about medals so presumably this was a commemorative medal as opposed to the BEM that one of the women who worked there got for only missing two shifts in two years.
 

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Out of all the Soviet males born in 1923, an estimated 80 percent didn’t survive the war.

The Treatment of Soviet POWs: Starvation, Disease, and Shootings, June 1941–January 1942

' By February 1942, 2,000,000 of the 3,300,000 Soviet soldiers in German custody up to that point had died from starvation, exposure, disease, or shooting. '
Not supporting the Box treatment of their Slavic POWs by any means, but the Sovs themselves managed to slaughter greater numbers of their own.
 

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The battling monks of the Shaolin temple in China,home of kung fu,were so hard core that in 1928 a local warlord (Shi Yousan) kicked them all out and set fire to their monastery. It burned for a biblical 40 days.
 
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The first UK Navy Nuc sub , on its first trip to Singapore, The Officer in charge of resupply did not demand enough toilet paper, so all were reduced to one sheet a day. "Please use both sides".

On surfacing in Mauritius, to resupply the bog roll, the Officer in charge of the electrics had to find somewhere to "clean" the C2O scrubbers for the oxygen and air supply when under the surface.

Needed 1000 plus degrees to clean them. Went to the local crematorium.
 
The first UK Navy Nuc sub , on its first trip to Singapore, The Officer in charge of resupply did not demand enough toilet paper, so all were reduced to one sheet a day. "Please use both sides".
Who was worst in the sh!t after that one?

Answers on a postcard C/O a PO Box in Mauritius, I think.
 
The first UK Navy Nuc sub , on its first trip to Singapore, The Officer in charge of resupply did not demand enough toilet paper, so all were reduced to one sheet a day. "Please use both sides".

On surfacing in Mauritius, to resupply the bog roll, the Officer in charge of the electrics had to find somewhere to "clean" the C2O scrubbers for the oxygen and air supply when under the surface.

Needed 1000 plus degrees to clean them. Went to the local crematorium.
Bluddy 'ell, it'll have been Izal bog roll as well. That stuff only smeared the sh!t about yer ring. Wouldn't have liked to have been their dhobi.
 
On the same subject UK Navy subs....

Used to visit Murmansk the Russian sub port.

One time the UK sub hit a Russian sub as it tried to “ lift up a bit” sorry do not know the nautical term.

On return to Faslane, report was ...

On trying to surface under an Artic ice flow , coning tower was damaged.

Civil engineer on his report wrote...

“First time I have ever seen anti fouling paint on an ice flow”.

From the BBC , The Reunion radio programme Radio 4.
 

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At the end of the 19th Century, Birmingham Corporation started building a series of dams in the Elan Valley, near Rhayader. First thing they did was build a small dam at Nant y Gro to provide drinking water for the workers' village. Once the main dams were built, Nant y Gro became redundant.

In 1942, Barnes Wallace needed a proper dam to prove the theory of Upkeep. Nant y Gro got the good news on 1 May 1942. The rest is history.

Bomb Testing at Nant-y-Gro Dam | The Dambusters

The remnants of the Nant y Gro dam have remained as they were left in 1942. Today Zero Alpha and I once again walked around Caban Coch reservoir from the Elan visitors' centre to Nant y Gro. Just because we could.
 
At the end of the 19th Century, Birmingham Corporation started building a series of dams in the Elan Valley, near Rhayader. First thing they did was build a small dam at Nant y Gro to provide drinking water for the workers' village. Once the main dams were built, Nant y Gro became redundant.

In 1942, Barnes Wallace needed a proper dam to prove the theory of Upkeep. Nant y Gro got the good news on 1 May 1942. The rest is history.

Bomb Testing at Nant-y-Gro Dam | The Dambusters

The remnants of the Nant y Gro dam have remained as they were left in 1942. Today Zero Alpha and I once again walked around Caban Coch reservoir from the Elan visitors' centre to Nant y Gro. Just because we could.

A few years back ( around 30 I think) I was working on a job at the British Board of Agrement
they had been clearing the overgrown garden area around a river, and found a replica of a dam ?
one of the old guys working there recalled that as a kid his dad brought him over and showed him the dam being built
it ws used for testing by Barnes Wallis and features in the Dambusters film
the BBA is over near Watford

Replica of the Mohne Dam, in the grounds of the Building Research Establishment, Garston, St. Stephen - 1020749| Historic England
 
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A few years back ( around 30 I think) I was working on a job at the British Board of Agrement
they had been clearing the overgrown garden area around a river, and found a replica of a dam ?
one of the old guys working there recalled that as a kid his dad brought him over and showed him the dam being built
it ws used for testing by Barnes Wallis and features in the Dambusters film
the BBA is over near Watford

Replica of the Mohne Dam, in the grounds of the Building Research Establishment, Garston, St. Stephen - 1020749| Historic England
An 'informative' is not sufficient for that link. Fascinating. I didn't know it was built 3 years prior to the raid
 
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An 'informative' is not sufficient for that link. Fascinating. I didn't know it was built 3 years prior to the raid
when they first cleared it, no one knew of its relevance or why it was built their
one of the retired guys was asked and he showed them photos of himself working on it alongside other youngsters
I think the place used to be MIRA before that, and before that it was a working RAF airfield, they said bits of a Wellington are still visible in one fo the older trees
probably long gone now
the dam was between some wooden cabins they used for a canteen
it was quite something to see history like that
 
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An 'informative' is not sufficient for that link. Fascinating. I didn't know it was built 3 years prior to the raid
I seem to recall something that the film couldn't capture was that Wallace had planned to destroy dams as far back as the end of the Great War.
 
I seem to recall something that the film couldn't capture was that Wallace had planned to destroy dams as far back as the end of the Great War.
He was a brilliant man, a fine engineer and a free thinker
as well as designing the Wellington bomber, an aircraft that allowed many RAF aircrew to survive enemy action he was also the senior designer of the R100 the airship that functioned as designed
if you want to learn about that read Slide Rule by Neville Shute Norway, the Author who also worked alongside Barnes Wallis
 
Ahem
The British-Zanzibar War, the shortest war in history. So I decided to google this so-called war to find out more about it. What I found was an intriguing journal entry written by the incredibly mysterious Sultan of Zanzibar. What follows is a series of fateful entries written on the day of the war.

August 22, 6am
Dearest Journal, today I have been appointed the SULTAN of ZANZIBAR! How sweet is that? Of course, given the circumstances of my appointment, I must take this job with merely a grin instead of a full-blown crescent moon smile. My father, the long-time Sultan Tad Storkensburg, died last night of irritable bowel syndrome. I think there was something in his Zanzibarian Burger that really disagreed with him. Alas, I mourn my father's gruesome and disgusting death, and I welcome my new title of Sultan! It's so much cooler than "Saltine."
My first act as Sultan is to stand up to those awful Brits. The Brits and the Germans have been fighting over my island for years now, and I'm damn sick and tired of it. The Brits keep wanting this island so they can move into Africa, the Germans want this island so they can put a Volkswagon factory on it. Zanzibar is my homeland, as obscure and ridiculous as that sounds, and I will not let it slip into the hands of the straightbacks from the north! So, after speaking with Germany, they've decided to back me up as I stand up to the Brits. My dad had good relations with those limey bastards for years, but now that he's out of the way I'm gonna kick some ass!
August 22, 1896 9am
Dearest journal, I just declared war on the Brits. I know what you're thinking... I'm in office for three hours and I already declared war on the biggest nation in the world. Maybe I was a little hasty, but I stand by my decision. I declared war about twenty minutes ago, and I'm ready for whatever they are going to throw at me! I have 2,500 Arab troops ready and willing to be slaughtered for the well-being of Zanzibar. I also have this really boss gold cannon from 1658. Back in the day, I hear, we used to use this cannon for everything... we even fought off the Egyptians or something. But ever since then it's been sitting in front of the Zanzibarian Court House just collecting dust. I also got this sweet old ship... it's like a wooden viking boat. Only it's not a viking boat because vikings didn't come down here... often.
August 22, 1896 9:05am
Dear J-Dog, The British are pretty much surrounding the island with their large-ass ships. Any normal Sultan would be thinking he had made a mistake, but I know I'm doing the right thing. I will be the Sultan to end all Sultans! Let it be known that Reggie Storkensburg, The Sultan of Zanzibar, was the most courageous leader ever. With the exception of Jesus. Anyways, right now we are sort of waiting... my troops are just sitting on the beaches playing card games and volleyball and the British keep cocking their rifles at us. I hope something happens pretty soon, I have a tennis date with the Czar of Uberbeckingstand at noon. Did I spell his country right? Oh well, no one's gonna read this anyways.
August 22, 1896 9:15am
Shit! Snap! Dag! Holy flaming crap! The Brits have decided to start shooting cannon balls at my island! One shot took out 500 of my troops, who were in the middle of a round robin volleyball tournament on the north shore! I have decided to bring out my golden cannon, which I have named "Fat Man." I have three cannon balls, which I have named "Little Boy." Those Brits are going to have some trouble coming there way as soon as Fat Man shoots the Little Boys!
August 22, 1896 9:25am
This isn't going at all like I had planned.
August 22, 1896 9:35am
Okay, okay, okay, all of my troops are dead. That's what I get for hiring all these Arabs to do the job... everyone knows Arabs can't swim! My viking ship has been totally destroyed, even worse they spray painted a giant cock and balls on the side of it before they set it on fire. Those British sure do know how to make you feel stupid. Although I must stay that they aren't nearly as polite as everyone thinks. Let's just hope my cannon holds out!
August 22, 1896 9:37am
Murphy's Law kicked in... my uber-boss cannon just burst into flames! It's made of gold, how did this happen?!
August 22, 1896 9:45am
Dear Journal, you are now looking at the former Sultan of Zanzibar... that's right. I gave up. I couldn't take it anymore! The Brits had me backed up against the wall here. And so after 45 minutes of being pummeled by these jerks, I gave up. I kinda forgot that my population consisted of just 2,500 Arabs, and since they were all dead now... I figured I might as well cut my losses and live to rule another day. Luckily, my sausage-welding friends from Middle Europe, let me stay at their consulate. Those Germans are alright, ya know? I mean, they really know what they are doing, and I wouldn't be surprised if they really make a difference in the world. I'd stake my Sultan reputation on it.
Anyways, goodbye my lovely journal... the Germans won't allow me to bring this into the consulate, so I must leave it on this board and float it out to sea. Maybe someday those Brits will find it and see all of the stuff I said about em. Won't they feel bad!
2 months late but ******* brilliant :)
 

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