Solving the TA Officer crisis - msr's fag packet comes out again

Discussion in 'Army Reserve' started by msr, Oct 18, 2011.

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  1. msr

    msr LE

    Here's the current plan:

    AOSB pass
    6 weekends (9 for inf) (is this called TSC(A) this week?)
    2 weeks at Sandhurst

    Come out as 2Lt and be capped at 2Lt until you have passed Summer Leader / Mod3 / whatever other silly-stupid requirements that are flvour of the month, and the additional Mod5 weekends.

    Regular nay-sayers: this is not a million miles from your Gap Year / 3Lt option.

    Let's pack the Officers' Mess with bright young things not fat, balding mature students :)

  2. What level of training are you assuming pre-AOSB?

    Personally, I think we ought to making more of the opportunity offered by the gap between university graduation and take-up of first job.
    A 3-month commissioning course, plus a tax-free bonus of £10k - loan, student, paying-off for the use of.

    If we want the Regular Army to take the TA seriously, then officers need to be deployable in role - which means their training must be fit for purpose.
  3. Surely they should do:


    (Thus making them deployable and useful should they fail RMAS CC)


    Then off for Special to Arm training. No point Inf doing different before Sandhurst, but they should do StA after like everone else. Besides, it looks as if TSC(Inf) is going to get binned anyway.
  4. Ravers

    Ravers LE Reviewer Book Reviewer

    Why not just ditch TA officers all together? It's clearly not working out. Keep the TA as a pool of low level manpower to fill gaps and use regular officers to run the show. Save for TA officers who have spent substantial time in the ranks, most are utterly gash.
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  5. msr

    msr LE


    The purpose of this exercise is to fill the Officers' Mess as simply and rapidly as possible.

    I would wager that almost no TA 2Lts are / have been taken in any role.

    Let's get them in and then focus on the training / deployment issue.

    As for paying off student loans, see here:

  6. msr

    msr LE

    The current system is not working out. Gash officers are the result of gash SNCOs. Where do you think the regular officers are going to come from? er, no wait...
  7. The_Duke

    The_Duke LE Moderator

    Resulting in a batch of newly minted cut price 2Lts who have spent no more time being trained than the lowest TA Pte soldier, and as such their capabilities will be similar.

    They will be barely capable of looking after themselves in the field, let alone commanding anything. They will be a notional figurehead, even more vulnerable to guidance by poor NCOs which the TA has by the bucketload.

    Fail, reshow with suitable level of basic skills training and command/leadership training included.
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  8. msr

    msr LE

    Too much time taken up. If they fail the 2 weeks at Sandhurst, they should be offered TSC (B).

  9. msr

    msr LE

    Meanwhile we carry on doing what we're currently doing and getting the results we're currently getting?

    With a suitably progressive training package provided at regimental level, the inequalities should get evened out.

    I am not saying we should lower the bar, but lengthen the run up (to Lt)
  10. The_Duke

    The_Duke LE Moderator

    Wrong - H13 had TA officers from 4 Para and 4 Lancs from 2Lt to Maj working from Coy level G2, through BG HQs up to Bde HQ.
  11. Ravers

    Ravers LE Reviewer Book Reviewer

    Well it seems to work quite well at my unit where around half the officers are regs and the rest have come through the ranks after numerous tours etc.

    There is just one direct entrant YO in my mob (ex OTC) and he's currently on a cheeky two year FTRS stint.
  12. msr

    msr LE

    Almost none, not none ;)

    Under this idea, 2Lts would not be deployable.
  13. Option B

    Ditch the institutionalised class system snobbery that pervades the Army (and TA) and seriously consider the former enlisted serviceman, aged <34, who now wishes to apply for a commission within the TA. And simply politely decline their application because they are former enlisted personnel.

    There are a large number of enlisted soldiers who, upon entering civvy street, were found to be highly effective managers.

    Just a thought.
  14. msr

    msr LE

    Sorry, the crisis which currently exists has no room for those with sacks of potatoes on their shoulders.
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  15. Then why the rush to get them commissioned?

    Surely an OCdt can lead soldiers and partake in mess life just as much as he could with the same level of training and brass pips on his shoulders?