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Soldiers Off The Streets?

#1
I have just seen a link for this over in FaceBook, has anyone heard of them? their Mission Statement sounds really good, have they contacted the dedicated group at Sgt Slingsby & Holidays 4 Heroes yet as I think the 3 groups could really work well together if these guys are genuine?

More info on them would be good as they don't appear to have had the ARRSE inspection of Verification yet 8) :



Click on the pic above to go to their Website.
 
#3
I think what's bothering me at the moment is that there are so may organisations popping up.

In one sense, I'm obviously delighted, the The Royal Princes will undoubtedly do some good with their new project.

Meanwhile, Help4Heroes hoovers in the Charity £££ at an alarming rate, and yet I'm still unclear what it actually does ... and closer to home I have Holidays4Heroes (Jersey) who muscled in on our established name (with the suffix) but only do trips to Jersey (where, I can assure you, it's cold and wet and miserable at the moment).

I do honestly think some consolidation would be in order. There are just TOO MANY people jumping on the Sympathy Bus, and they just make things complicated.

IMO, of course
 
#4
blue-sophist said:
I do honestly think some consolidation would be in order. There are just TOO MANY people jumping on the Sympathy Bus, and they just make things complicated.

IMO, of course
Thats been happening for quite some time, even before Help4heroes came along there were several large forces charities duplicating costs.
 
#5
Holidays for Heroes Jersey is a genuine charity doing what it can on it's own patch. It started completely independently about the same time as the ARRSE org, but has not lifted the "H4H" tag in any way. It does not fund-raise outside CI, so she not conflict with activities here. Also it's beneficiaries are a different group: it goes well beyond the Herrick/Telic veterans as it takes referrals from RBL, The "Not Forgotten"Association, SPVA and SSAFA as well as direct from Headley Court.
 
#7
Holidays for Heroes Jersey is a genuine charity doing what it can on it's own patch. It started completely independently about the same time as the ARRSE org, but has not lifted the "H4H" tag in any way. It does not fund-raise outside CI, so she not conflict with activities here. Also it's beneficiaries are a different group: it goes well beyond the Herrick/Telic veterans as it takes referrals from RBL, The "Not Forgotten"Association, SPVA and SSAFA as well as direct from Headley Court.
 
#8
ta_wannabe_sig said:
i hate to bring politics in but i think this maybe a B'n'P front, i've read on 'tinternet that they have a few ex-servicemen groups
You might be right there:
3.7 “Soldiers off the Street”
Nothing British has uncovered a new organisation set up by the BNP called “Soldiers off the Street”, the latest and possibly most distasteful example of Astroturfing by the BNP. SOTS “aims to provide clothing and food for [homeless] ex-service personnel throughout the UK, actively finding locations that will accommodate them, attempting to reunite ex-service personnel with their families, setting up offices all over the UK and finding volunteers to help run them.”
SOTS claims it "is not and never will be affiliated to any political party, it is dedicated to physically help as many ex-service personnel gain as normal a life as possible". Nowhere on SOTS’s site does it mention that it is in any way connected to the BNP and it carefully avoids stating who its organisers are. However, SOTS’s Director is Hugh William Murray, former Regional Secretary of the BNP in Wales. SOTS’s office telephone number matches that of Mr Murray’s home telephone number found on the leaked BNP membership register. SOTS have told Nothing British they no longer have any involvement with the BNP. But according to our research Mr Murray was still calling himself a member of the BNP four days after SOTS was incorporated as a company. One day later Mr Murray committed himself to joining a BNP march to bring soldiers back from Afghanistan being organised for St George’s Day 2010. In order to lend credibility to itself as an organisation SOTS has approached a number of authentic organisations including the British Limbless ex-Servicemens Association (BLESMA), Chaseley Trust (a charitable hospice) and a number of veterans associations. Nothing British even discovered a one association which was duped into exchanging links with SOTS.
It is not yet registered as charity, but it is apparently seeking charity status. Nothing British has learnt that the Charities Commission has not received an application to become a charity. It is unlikely to be
awarded charity status because groups run by political parties are not allowed to be charities.
http://www.nothingbritish.com/wp-content/themes/default/images/StolenValour.pdf
 
#9
vampangua said:
Holidays for Heroes Jersey is a genuine charity doing what it can on it's own patch. It started completely independently about the same time as the ARRSE org, but has not lifted the "H4H" tag in any way. It does not fund-raise outside CI, so she not conflict with activities here. Also it's beneficiaries are a different group: it goes well beyond the Herrick/Telic veterans as it takes referrals from RBL, The "Not Forgotten"Association, SPVA and SSAFA as well as direct from Headley Court.
Hello! Check the avatar :wink:

I do not touch anything on the Rock.
You have primacy here, and good luck to you. :wink:
I tried early on to get some sort of liaison, but Richard didn't seem interested.

Whatever, we're all doing our thing, and that's good news for those who deserve a bit of special care and attention.

BTW, we do actually look after [in our own way] all Vets of all Services of all generations. We do a lot of things for a lot of people.
I'm not getting into a kicking match, though.
Email me at sgt.slingsby@gmail.com ... I'm just up the road :lol:
 
#11
Well, I messaged the guy who put the Soldiers off the Streets link in one of my Groups and didn't receive a reply. I personally think their Mission Statement is excellent, but I think the people behind Sgt Slingsby & Holidays 4 Heroes would be the best people to take this mission statement, combine it with what they have been doing so far and launch their Charity, they have the backing and help of most of the 50,000+ of us right here in ARRSE, we trust them implicitly as we know what they Have done and Are doing.

If I had the money right now to help them gain Charity status I would give it as I know so many here would also, imagine Hols 4 Heroes with their own vans, dedicated shelter and office, we know those in need would get the help they deserve and families would continue to be sent on much needed holidays. A shame those who run Help 4 Heroes have not seen here what this small dedicated team of volunteers has been doing and offered a % of their vast funds to get them fully up and running.
 
#12
blue-sophist said:
I think what's bothering me at the moment is that there are so may organisations popping up.
That's a bit rich - surely Holidays4Heroes & Help Them Out are a couple of the new organisations popping up? Just because the ARRSE community knows it's all legit and above board, other people may have the same concerns as you, but focused on the organisations you're involved with.

blue-sophist said:
Meanwhile, Help4Heroes hoovers in the Charity £££ at an alarming rate, and yet I'm still unclear what it actually does ...
HELP for HEROES offers "practical, direct support for our wounded". The website details all of the projects in progress and grants made to other Forces charities: click HERE. If the website doesn't give you enough information, why don't you call HELP for HEROES on 0845 673 1760 or 01980 846 459 and ask for Mark Elliott - he'll be more than happy to tell you what H4H does and its ethos.

Edited now I've seen this:

Gundulph said:
A shame those who run Help 4 Heroes have not seen here what this small dedicated team of volunteers has been doing and offered a % of their vast funds to get them fully up and running.
HELP for HEROES focus is now on the Recovery Centre project, of which more details in the link above. These centres will cost several million apiece and will benefit the Forces community enormously.
 
#13
Dozy in fairness, people here are always sceptical and rightly so about things like Help for Heros which have been set up by the corporate media and such like. It's ok to have big projects ongoing, however these are taking a lot of resources. The flash to bang of H4H is far too long.
The publicity that is gained by the media by putting an H4H tag on it is immeasurable.
Believe me, the corporates see this as an opportunity to further their profile first and foremost.
By the time these centres are fully up to speed (a thing which our government should be providing) it will be far too late for a lot of cases I'm afraid.
H4H is a good thing, does great work, but just how many serving or ex serving are in the hierachy. It is in danger of becoming a machine for corporates and media, which was a main reason for them setting it up in the first place.

VH
 
#14
VanHelsing said:
Dozy in fairness, people here are always sceptical and rightly so about things like Help for Heros which have been set up by the corporate media and such like.

H4H is a good thing, does great work, but just how many serving or ex serving are in the hierachy. It is in danger of becoming a machine for corporates and media, which was a main reason for them setting it up in the first place.
I disagree completely with the above. It wasn't set-up by the media, the media have joined in as time went by. Love 'em or loathe 'em, the media and 'slebs' jump on bandwagons and as far as I'm concerned, anything that puts a few more pennies in the coffers of ANY Forces charity is a good thing.

There is also no bureaucratic heirarchy and VERY few paid positions at H4H. Everything that can possibly be got for free is blagged, what can be borrowed is borrowed and an enormous number of people are volunteers. When I have time this week I'll post information about how H4H is staffed and structured. People are free to make up their own minds, but there seem to be a lot of sour grapes about H4H and implications of 'facts' that bear no relation to the truth.
 
#15
I'm not saying they dont do good as they do.
But believe me anything that is driven by The Sun and such like should always be viewed with scepticism.

It wasn't that long ago that H4H had it's assets frozen pending an investigation into how the charity was run.

When the Charity resembles a corporation itself alarm bells should always ring. Ever wonder why H4H invests in 'Property' rather than give a war widow £400 to pay her mortgage that month.

VH
 
#16
The concern with H4H is that it has been such a runaway success that it is canibalising funds which would have gone to the ABF and BL amongst others. The real expertise in dealing with the day to day issues that servicemen have lie with these agencies and as H4H appears to be focused on capital expenditure people are worried that welfare spending will suffer.

Bryn Parry has done an outstanding job in just two years and I see from their website that H4H is aware of these potential critisisims. Frankly, if all these organisations were perfect there would be no need for hols4h which I prefer to support because of the scale and immediacy of the solutions.

On the homeless, there are over 800 agencies in the UK who look after the homeless. It is a very crowded charitable space and the reasons why individuals are on the streets are often complex and not easy to solve. The charity listed here looks a bit naive to me. if they're real good luck to them, if not they'll be found out pretty quickly.

You may like to know that a charity initiated by the Prince Charles does good work in this area http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Compass and is sponsored by the MOD and supported by business.
 

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#17
VanHelsing said:
Ever wonder why H4H invests in 'Property' rather than give a war widow £400 to pay her mortgage that month.

VH
They don't invest in property. They have given grants to SSAFA, Combat Stress and Erskine & Headley Court & yes the funds may help to buy some property (The Norton Houses being the most high profile) with those funds but that property is owned by the charity concerned not by H4H.
As for the widow needing £400 to pay her mortgage, those of us on here who are caseworkers with SSAFA or TRBL move heaven and earth to assist people in that position and other funds are available. H4H would not be able to do it as they do not have a caseworking infrastructure in place as these two charities do.
 
#18
VanHelsing said:
It wasn't that long ago that H4H had it's assets frozen pending an investigation into how the charity was run.
This has never happened - what is your source?

As for H4H 'taking' money from existing charities, the opposite is true: the Charity Commission has actually commended H4H for attracting 'new' money.
 
#19
Dozy I suggest you do your research.
What I will tell you is that it had to do with the paid members of staff.
It happend, they might not tell you it happend because they dont want you to know, wonder why the building projects were 'delayed'.

VH
 
#20
VanHelsing said:
Dozy I suggest you do your research.
Which is why I asked you to provide your source. When this rumour was put about on here before I made a point to ask those in the know and was told it had never happened. If you know it did, you will surely be able to provide me with a source.
 

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