Soldiers off the Street!

#2
Ask the peeps from Holidays 4 Heroes (aka Help Them Out). They will give pointers. They chose not to list as a charity because of the cost and heavy regulation.
 
#5
Robbo82 said:
thanks MM.
But trust me they are not a bnp front :)
No I won't trust you.


para_medic said:
ta_wannabe_sig said:
i hate to bring politics in but i think this maybe a B'n'P front, i've read on 'tinternet that they have a few ex-servicemen groups
You might be right there:
3.7 “Soldiers off the Street”
Nothing British has uncovered a new organisation set up by the BNP called “Soldiers off the Street”, the latest and possibly most distasteful example of Astroturfing by the BNP. SOTS “aims to provide clothing and food for [homeless] ex-service personnel throughout the UK, actively finding locations that will accommodate them, attempting to reunite ex-service personnel with their families, setting up offices all over the UK and finding volunteers to help run them.”
SOTS claims it "is not and never will be affiliated to any political party, it is dedicated to physically help as many ex-service personnel gain as normal a life as possible". Nowhere on SOTS’s site does it mention that it is in any way connected to the BNP and it carefully avoids stating who its organisers are. However, SOTS’s Director is Hugh William Murray, former Regional Secretary of the BNP in Wales. SOTS’s office telephone number matches that of Mr Murray’s home telephone number found on the leaked BNP membership register. SOTS have told Nothing British they no longer have any involvement with the BNP. But according to our research Mr Murray was still calling himself a member of the BNP four days after SOTS was incorporated as a company. One day later Mr Murray committed himself to joining a BNP march to bring soldiers back from Afghanistan being organised for St George’s Day 2010. In order to lend credibility to itself as an organisation SOTS has approached a number of authentic organisations including the British Limbless ex-Servicemens Association (BLESMA), Chaseley Trust (a charitable hospice) and a number of veterans associations. Nothing British even discovered a one association which was duped into exchanging links with SOTS.
It is not yet registered as charity, but it is apparently seeking charity status. Nothing British has learnt that the Charities Commission has not received an application to become a charity. It is unlikely to be
awarded charity status because groups run by political parties are not allowed to be charities.
http://www.nothingbritish.com/wp-content/themes/default/images/StolenValour.pdf
 
#6
There's already a charity doing this...

http://www.veterans-aid.net/

I think setting another one to do the same thing is fairly pointless and will detract from the good work already being done by Veterans Aid.

You'd be better off teaching your Dad how to use Google and then put him in touch with Veterans Aid, who will be pleased to hear from him.

Adjt
 
#7
Gremlin said:
Robbo82 said:
thanks MM.
But trust me they are not a bnp front :)
No I won't trust you.


para_medic said:
ta_wannabe_sig said:
i hate to bring politics in but i think this maybe a B'n'P front, i've read on 'tinternet that they have a few ex-servicemen groups
You might be right there:
3.7 “Soldiers off the Street”
Nothing British has uncovered a new organisation set up by the BNP called “Soldiers off the Street”, the latest and possibly most distasteful example of Astroturfing by the BNP. SOTS “aims to provide clothing and food for [homeless] ex-service personnel throughout the UK, actively finding locations that will accommodate them, attempting to reunite ex-service personnel with their families, setting up offices all over the UK and finding volunteers to help run them.”
SOTS claims it "is not and never will be affiliated to any political party, it is dedicated to physically help as many ex-service personnel gain as normal a life as possible". Nowhere on SOTS’s site does it mention that it is in any way connected to the BNP and it carefully avoids stating who its organisers are. However, SOTS’s Director is Hugh William Murray, former Regional Secretary of the BNP in Wales. SOTS’s office telephone number matches that of Mr Murray’s home telephone number found on the leaked BNP membership register. SOTS have told Nothing British they no longer have any involvement with the BNP. But according to our research Mr Murray was still calling himself a member of the BNP four days after SOTS was incorporated as a company. One day later Mr Murray committed himself to joining a BNP march to bring soldiers back from Afghanistan being organised for St George’s Day 2010. In order to lend credibility to itself as an organisation SOTS has approached a number of authentic organisations including the British Limbless ex-Servicemens Association (BLESMA), Chaseley Trust (a charitable hospice) and a number of veterans associations. Nothing British even discovered a one association which was duped into exchanging links with SOTS.
It is not yet registered as charity, but it is apparently seeking charity status. Nothing British has learnt that the Charities Commission has not received an application to become a charity. It is unlikely to be
awarded charity status because groups run by political parties are not allowed to be charities.
http://www.nothingbritish.com/wp-content/themes/default/images/StolenValour.pdf
So because someone USED to be a bnp member he isn't allowed to set up a cause to help anyone (ex service personel)?? Causes and charities should not be political they should be focusing on what they are raising funds for. I do not support bnp but if it helps homeless ex servicemen/women then I will support the cause no matter what the background is of the fundraisers aslong as the cause/charity is genuine.
 
#8
Adjutant said:
There's already a charity doing this...

http://www.veterans-aid.net/

I think setting another one to do the same thing is fairly pointless and will detract from the good work already being done by Veterans Aid.

You'd be better off teaching your Dad how to use Google and then put him in touch with Veterans Aid, who will be pleased to hear from him.

Adjt
Fair point.
I am not sure if they were aware of the fact that there was another charity doing the same thing out there.
 
#9
of course they would get the same help as EVERYONE else. As I said I do not believe the bnp are behind the cause. There maybe an ex member but not the party itself. If they did manage to become a charity then they would be gouverned by some charity association where they can't do wwhat they want.
 
#10
well I'm not trying to convince anyone. Just putting my opinion across as I see it. Donations should only be given if you believe in the cause some people will and some wont.
 
#11
I suppose a simple way ahead is to wait until charitable status is achieved; this would both deal with questions of political affiliation, and also allow Gift Aid on contributions making cash donations that bit more valuable.
 
#12
vampangua said:
I suppose a simple way ahead is to wait until charitable status is achieved; this would both deal with questions of political affiliation, and also allow Gift Aid on contributions making cash donations that bit more valuable.
True.
I hope they do reach the ammount needed to become a charity as thats their first aim
 
#14
They shouldn't bother their arses. If Veterans Aid already does what these guys propose to do, we will have two similar charities. If I had to choose one over the other to give my hard earned wedge to, I'd go for the one which doesn't have BNP affiliations (Whether the guy's left their party or not, a leopard never changes it's spots.)

Edited to add; Let's just suppose this charity/cause takes off, and raises thousands of pounds. I'd bet a penny to a pound of shit that the BNP would stick their names all over it come election time, regardless of what SOTS and it's followers are saying at the moment.
 
#15
The bnp may try to stick their nose in and it will get bitten off. there's going to be a lot of court action against nothing british and the bnp if they continue to smear sots. do you want to put your money where you mouth is it will help them with legal costs.
 
#17
Veterans Aid is already doing this.

Soldiers Of The Streets is new, is not a charity and stinks of the BNP, whatever the truth may be.

Another 'charity' doing the same thing as Veterans Aid is not going to help anyone.

Common sense is still free in the UK. If SOTS have any of this, much less any honour, then leave Veterans Aid to do what they do best, join in and help those that need it most. Stop pontificating, realise you've come to the party late and FFS leave politics out of it. Think about those that need help and the best way to give it to them. A charity already exists and is doing good work. Recognise this.

Adjt
 
#20
As an EX-MEMBER of the BNP is involved with SOTS you presume that they are a BNP front.
Therefore, why does everyone agree with Help For Heroes and gladly donate money to them when Diane Leech, a member of help for heroes, IS a MEMBER of BNP!

Look and judge for yourselves

Diane Leech

As I see it causes/charities should not be political and SOTS do not have any current members of any parties. They are focusing on the people who need the help. And to come back to the point of there being 2 causes for the same goal thought that would be really great as hopefully the more money they will raise together.
But I am glad to see a lot of people that are supporting the cause after just 3 months as you can see on facebook. (which includes ex servicemen/women).
SOTS facebook page
Judge for yourselves when you read some of the comments.
 

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