Soldiers blamed for Superbug.

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  1. Ok,lets have a little story.

    One day some halfwit and overpaid cretin decided to run down the Armed Forces Medical Services.slowly but surely they all closed down,the same numbnuts had a brainwave....."I know we can use some NHS Units and staff them with Military Medical personell,this will generate revenue from the MOD and we can use the Forces Doctors to man the hospital at weekends and Bank Holidays saving even more money!!!"

    So Time marched on,Servicemen were treated in these NHS units and it looked all rosy,untill one day we went to War.As will War we had casualties,which in the good old days would have been treated in a Miltary Environment so familiar to our Servicemen.However our brave lads and lasses were treated in these NHS units to Verbal Abuse and allmanner of indignities by certain sectors of the "Community".However its all calmed down a wee bit now...........................or has it?????

    Soldiers blamed for deadly superbug

    Eight patients died from a superbug after a new strain was introduced to a hospital where soldiers injured in Iraq are treated, a freedom of information request by the BBC has revealed.
    The University Hospital Birmingham NHS Foundation Trust revealed the deaths happened between 2005 and 2007.

    The MDR-AB superbug is more resistant to antibiotics than MRSA
    The T-strain of the MDR-AB superbug is believed by scientists to have been introduced to the Selly Oak site by injured soldiers.
    But the trust's medical director David Rosser has said the bug, which is still present in the hospital, is "not a significant problem".
    The bug - full name multi-resistant acienetobacter baumannii - is one of the gram negative superbugs, which is more resistant to antibiotics than gram positive superbugs like MRSA.

    Records obtained by the BBC show the bug spread rapidly in 2003 from the trauma theatres onto the trauma wards and then into the burns unit, where two children were infected.
    Doctors believe the new strain was introduced by injured soldiers flown back from Iraq because it was found on one when he was admitted to the hospital in 2004.
    The T-strain was responsible for the majority of MDR-AB infections in the hospital and is thought most likely to have led to the subsequent deaths.
    Soldiers flown in from Iraq are thought to have introduced the new strain
    The registered deaths at the hospital from the bug date from 2005 onwards after the infection spread onto the respiratory medicine wards.
    Three elderly patients with breathing problems died from the bug that year, another four patients died a year later and one died last year.
    In 2007, of the 108 patients infected with acinetobacter baumannii, 26 were from the military.

    The latest outbreak of six cases took place in the neurosurgical critical care unit last September.
    Scientists have linked the bug to returning soldiers. Dr Martin Gill, writing in the Journal of Clinical Microbiology in 2006, said it was "the T-strain that has been most strongly associated with these casualties and that has, in the United Kingdom at least, caused the most infections".
    He added: "It has been isolated from at least one soldier immediately on admission to the United Kingdom hospital, ruling out the possibility that it was acquired in that hospital."
    Dr Gill works as a microbiologist at the hospital.

    The link has also been made by doctors writing in the Lancet Infectious Diseases journal in 2006.

    Strict action plan
    The MDR-AB bug is more resistant to antibiotics than MRSA.
    Only one old antibiotic, colistin, is still effective, but it is toxic to kidneys and is becoming less effective.
    Professor Peter Hawkey, of Heartlands Hospital, Birmingham, said bugs of this type thrived in intensive care units.
    He said: "They have developed a lot of antibiotic resistance. This has become increasingly a problem particularly in intensive care and burns patients.
    "As they are very resistant, we are very limited. Sometimes we have only one, sometimes no antibiotics to treat them.
    "They also survive well in the environment."
    The University Hospital trust put in place a strict action plan investigating trauma theatres seven and eight, restricting staff movements and isolating infected patients.

    Wounded soldiers are treated at the Selly Oak site
    But the minutes of the infection control meetings show concerns that staff were not washing their hands.
    There were also concerns about beds coming up from the stores uncleaned and equipment such as bronchoscopes not being cleaned adequately.
    Staff were also using the route between adult and children's burns units as a thoroughfare, potentially spreading the infection from the soldiers to children.
    The children's burns unit is no longer based at Selly Oak.

    Death from the superbug can take many forms, such as fevers, pneumonia, meningitis and septicaemia, while patients who survive often face longer hospital stays due to the complications.
    It is difficult to control in the environment because it is airborne and can survive for long periods in dry places.
    The hospital actually removed curtains after finding that they were harbouring the bacteria.

    But Professor Tom Elliot, deputy director of the hospital, insisted the bug was easier to eradicate than MRSA.
    He added that it was still not proven that the T-strain of the bug is imported by soldiers into the hospital.
    He said MDR-AB existed long before the Iraq War and is low on the radar in terms of priorities.

    This was endorsed by the medical director David Rosser, who said: "Some of the wounded evacuated patients do come back colonised with bugs that we would not normally see in civilian practice.
    "We have a very clear idea of what these bugs are likely to be and are able to deal with it.
    "It is not a significant problem."
  2. That's a horrible headline. It wasn't as if the Soldiers knew they had this supposed "super bug" on their skin.
  3. Why worry, it's only dead patients. NHS management have immunity from the new corporate manslaughter laws.
  4. This is totally unacceptable blaming soldiers for the superbug .
    my cousin and i both had operations and ended up with infections and there was no way my boyfriend passed the infection on to me
  5. Perhaps the wounded should not be sent to facilities that include civilian practice, then the more exotic bugs would be somewhat contained and more specialised clinical knowledge employed. Someone should think about us having some large medical complexes just for the use of service personnel - we could call these places 'military hospitals'.

    Just thinking outside the box.
  6. Unfortunately if they were to start pushing this now it would be for all the wrong reasons, trying to contain us and keep us away from the civilians so we don't hurt them. :roll:
  7. I think you're onto something there Ottar.

    Perhaps these medical complexes of which you speak, they could be made in such a fashion that they could even act as a form of natural buffer against "worse case scenarios" whereby the wounded may have even been subject to having to mop up or act in zones saturated with nuclear, chemical, radiological & biological contaminations.

    Perhaps we could call this part of, oh I dunno, a form of common sense approach to a 'National Defence Plan' with suitable medical provisions?

    Again, radical concepts, I know...
  8. In The Netherlands (or maybe Belgium - they are all the same aren't they?), most patients are checked to see if they are carrying these bugs as they enter hospital. Apparently a large number of patients, both in the lands of clogs (and paedos) and in Blighty. carry colonies of these little critters especially up their noses. Once the hospitals know that the bugs are about the appropriate treatment and precautions can be taken. Of course that means organisation, management and allocation of finance - this apparently is beyond the NHS.

    Of course another way of looking at this is that it is not the NHS's fault but the soldiers' for allowing themselves to be shot and bombed. This I haste to add is not how I see it.
  9. the superbug comes from cookhouse sausages so no wonder its bred into our civi counterparts!!
  10. [/quote]

    Further to Haslar....taken from the RNH Stonehouse reunion site.


    Of All readers.

    With the planned closure of RH Haslar in July 2009 the current Haslar Heritage Group are now in discussion regarding the full formation of the group and what will be a supporting group 'The Friends of Haslar'.

    The aim is to subsantiate the group and we are currently discussing with Hampshire Museums and Gosport Council to seek the use of St Luke's Haslar as a Heritage Centre and will have to discuss the way forward with either Defence Estates or any new owner of the site, anyone got £11 million?

    We already occupy St Luke's but this is for the moment a temporary arrangement through the understanding of the Hospital Director.

    The overall aim will be to bring about a centre through which Haslar and other Naval hospitals can be celebrated in history, along with all who worked within the RN Medical Service, RN Medical Branch, QARNNS, VAD's, Wren SBA's and Naval Nurses and civil staff.

    We already hold a wealth of materiel, photos etc and have recently held discussions with the QARNNS and VADs who are supportive of our aims. Just a need to bring this to the attention of the RN Medical Branch Association at the AGM in May.

    The group are also in discussion with the History Press regrading the publication of a coffee table book 'Haslar' for publication in 2009.

    For further information work is still being undertaken with the help of the Royal Marine Band service to produce a CD of marches and music associated with Haslar and the RN Medical Branch in general. We await further work on this with the RM Band School of Music.

    Would be happy to receive any comments etc from readers and Branch members, retired or serving.

    All best wishes,

    Eric C Birbeck
  11. Surely if people were being casevaced with these bugs on them, how come we haven't heard about any MRSA etc outbreaks in the field hospitals?

    Sure somewhere that is basically a big tent in the desert couldn't be cleaner and better maintained than an NHS hospital...could it?
  12. hang about, the science doesn't sound quite right to my understanding, MRSA(MethicillinResistanStaffilococcusAeurius) is just plain old Staffilococcus that is resistant to Peniccillin due to over use and proscribing of these drugs in the general population in the west, if the use of these drugs are much lower in the 'developing' regions of the world, in this case Iraq or Afghan then how do the resistant strains appear in these places without the widespread use of modern antibiotics?
    IMHO the problems come from poor hygene standards in the NHS and the more probable infections of serving personnel by staff in the receiving Hospitals and the easier transmissions of more resistant strains than widely known about. Intrestingly I had a conversation with a senior infectious desease doctor when my Father-in-law contracted MRSA in our local hospital, he said that there were strains of these bugs around that were yet to be more widely publicised, this sounds like one of them!
    Apollogies for any incorrect spelling.
  13. Tsk tsk no more outside box thinking please, think of the poor gubiment ministers...they can barely managed to think inside the box... :x