Soldiers as teachers - good idea?

Alsacien

MIA
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#1
Resettlement package to include tweed jackets with imitation leather elbow pads under new tory plans:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Po...g-To-Ex-Soldiers/Article/200809415108793?f=vg

"The young men and women serving in Afghanistan and Iraq are heroes of our time, their sacrifices in the cause of freedom make them the greatest of our generation, and they deserve the thanks of all of us.

That is why a Conservative government will honour their service by guaranteeing them the right to free university education."

Good idea? With a good filter I think yes :p
 
#2
I agree as long as the training costs and package go with it. However, not everyone is cut out to be a teacher in the first place but good military instructors (and we all know them) would make good teachers.

Only trouble I have is whether they would be prepared to put up with the crap that goes with the job. It isn't as if they are going to materially change the broken society as the Tories put it.

If that is what the Tories are angling at, a few hundred ex-mil teachers seems to me like putting a thumb in the proverbial dyke.
 
#3
In priciple it sounds a good idea. But is it another example of the Government making yet more empty promises? Methinks sadly that it is.
 
#4
FABLONBIFFCHIT said:
In priciple it sounds a good idea. But is it another example of the Government making yet more empty promises? Methinks sadly that it is.
Its the Tories, not Neu Liarbour, making the statement.........Not in power yet!
 
#5
in_the_cheapseats said:
FABLONBIFFCHIT said:
In priciple it sounds a good idea. But is it another example of the Government making yet more empty promises? Methinks sadly that it is.
Its the Tories, not Neu Liarbour, making the statement.........Not in power yet!
Guess with my spelling and my not reading things correctly then I wont be considered for any teaching posts............. :oops: :oops:
 
#6
Since leaving I have worked as a contract trainer (not teacher) for a number of clients over a considerable number of years and a lot of employers will take ex-military every time over a civvy. During the last 2 years I worked with 18-24 year old "terrors" together with ex-RAF and other lads. The ex-military trainers had no problem "exerting their influence" over the little toerags, where civvies couldn't handle them.

All in all its a question of facing up to the scrotes and gaining their respect. If you show you're not frightened of them you'll win every time. Even to the point of offering them outside (and I'm 60) - they've always declined and finally done as they're told - and turned out to be very good students.
 
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Biscuits_AB

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#7
The Americans have been doing this sort of thing for years. The longer they stay in, the more credit they gain towards entry to a College. It's about time this sort of initiative was introduced over here. It's long overdue.

What would be a better initiative, would be for Labour to steal the idea and introduce it now as one of their own. That way, those leaving now would be able to take advantage of it, instead of missing the boat.

Having seen some of the drongoes who currently populate the countries universities, ex-squaddies would be a positive boon and much to the surprise of those employed in Universities. At least ex-Toms would show up on time, submit work on time, study when they were meant to, listen to the lecturer instead of texting their mates, ask questions instead of staring at the wall and shut the f*ck up when the lecturer was talking to the other 99% of the audience who actually wanted to listen. And all of this on top of a f*cking good social life.

It's just like being a long course fella's. It's not about being clever, it's about pride, self discipline and the willingness to graft. Not far removed from what you are doing now. I'd say that the vast majority who have considered it would graduate without any difficulty. It's just that they may lack the confidence to take that first step. Once they take the plunge, they actually wonder why they left it for so long.

I'd love to see more ex-Toms in Universities. Universities, would benefit from their presence.

The education system would benefit from the final product.
 
#8
Biscuits_AB said:
The Americans have been doing this sort of thing for years. The longer they stay in, the more credit they gain towards entry to a College. It's about time this sort of initiative was introduced over here. It's long overdue.

What would be a better initiative, would be for Labour to steal the idea and introduce it now as one of their own. That way, those leaving now would be able to take advantage of it, instead of missing the boat.

Having seen some of the drongoes who currently populate the countries universities, ex-squaddies would be a positive boon and much to the surprise of those employed in Universities. At least ex-Toms would show up on time, submit work on time, study when they were meant to, listen to the lecturer instead of texting their mates, ask questions instead of staring at the wall and shut the f*ck up when the lecturer was talking to the other 99% of the audience who actually wanted to listen. And all of this on top of a f*cking good social life.

It's just like being a long course fella's. It's not about being clever, it's about pride, self discipline and the willingness to graft. Not far removed from what you are doing now. I'd say that the vast majority who have considered it would graduate without any difficulty. It's just that they may lack the confidence to take that first step. Once they take the plunge, they actually wonder why they left it for so long.

I'd love to see more ex-Toms in Universities. Universities, would benefit from their presence.

The education system would benefit from the final product.
and think of all the young student birds :twisted:
 
#9
The amount of blokes, myself included, who are currently banging out OU courses is actually higher than many might think.

One guy I know of, is currently in his final year in his SECOND OU Hons degree.

It is a myth, and an insulting one at that, to think that all the brains of the organisation are held in the upper echelens. Somehow tied to the old days.

When I started my first module (Open Mathematics) I was the ONLY bloke below the rank of WO in the room (I was a Signalman!). Now I would say the young toms are roughly even with the SNCOs and above. From what i can tell. I might be talking hoop, but there seems to be more awareness of the ILCs and ELCs and what they can do.

If one thing stands out about the Ed Corps and the Army it would be Banja Luka Metal Factory AEC. It was consistantly packed with blokes learning new languages (includign Bosnian) and new skills. In the first week there, almost half of my fellows enrolled in something, and I couldn´t name anyone who hadn´t at some point taken one or two courses there.

Also the amoun of lads I have seen leave the Army to go to Uni is quite high. And they all tend to get good grades (2:1 minimum) and pass out (or whatever Unit types do :D ).

The Universities would certainly benefit from young lads and older hands in their facilities.

I have never experienced it myself, but apparently the youngsters in Uni can be a bit intimidated by ex soldiers in Uni. So I was told by a few mates. All ex reg, TA blokes. Apparently it got really bad after one went out to Telic in Summer leave, and came back in time for term.

Realitly breaching the bubble perhaps?
 
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fozzy

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#10
I can imagine it now.

0730: Smartly dressed ex military men and women turning up 15 minutes early, for their first day in teaching at "problem school".

0805: Whole school doing knees to chest for being scruffy and idle.

0845: Whole school repeating knees to chest as "the message didn't get through". Cries of "My tea is a salad" etc, from ex Mil teachers.

3 months later - academic results improve, discipline problems are a thing of the past.
 
#11
sky news: "Anybody who has undertaken an active tour of duty would get their tuition fees paid on a first degree.''

I think this is long overdue, I've always thought an american style GI bill would be advantageous to society. Enhanced Learning Credits have always been a bit of a dud, you can use them for a level 3 course but not towards tuition fees for uni- after all, don't want those scary soldiers with degrees like us now, that would never do!

The thing is, theres a hell of a lot of us now that have been on telic or herrick, and with the massive budget deficit how exactly will they afford this? But either way, the contempt that the Labour party shows for our forces is shameful.
 
#12
fozzy said:
I can imagine it now.

0730: Smartly dressed ex military men and women turning up 15 minutes early, for their first day in teaching at "problem school".

0805: Whole school doing knees to chest for being scruffy and idle.
0810: Ex Mil teacher escorted off school property for invading human rights of pupils......more likely methinks!
 
#13
Or teacher gunned down by 16 yr old gang member
 
#14
fozzy said:
I can imagine it now.

0730: Smartly dressed ex military men and women turning up 15 minutes early, for their first day in teaching at "problem school".

0805: Whole school doing knees to chest for being scruffy and idle.

0845: Whole school repeating knees to chest as "the message didn't get through". Cries of "My tea is a salad" etc, from ex Mil teachers.

3 months later - academic results improve, discipline problems are a thing of the past.
All ex-mil teachers sacked for massive breach of "úman rytes" and other such drivil when a pupil claims one hurt their feelings. Cycle of dispair continues in to the depths at unprecedented speeds.
 

Biped

LE
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#15
Good idea - but let's hope this is not all that's in the pot from the Conservatives.

There's a LOT of money that needs spending on the basics of care for soldiers and their families, starting with accomodation and pay.
 
#16
I'm ex-army, and now work in a school (not as a teacher), and I hear pupils giving teachers grief daily. I get very little grief from pupils - and the pupils that do try, only do it the once. I do put that down to my 'forces' background.

I think 'soldiers to teachers' is in principle a good idea, but only if the senior teachers (Heads, Deputy's and Asst Heads etc) give the teachers the backing that they'd need.
 
#17
When I got out 2002 there was a project run to get ex squadies into "problem " schools as loose instructors but not teachers, they would teach map reading and outward bound type classes, they were seen as a way to bring in positive role models who could reach the kids at their own level. The project was a tie up between the MOD and Education Department led by the MOD
 
#18
Phooey said:
I'm ex-army, and now work in a school (not as a teacher), and I hear pupils giving teachers grief daily. I get very little grief from pupils - and the pupils that do try, only do it the once. I do put that down to my 'forces' background.

I think 'soldiers to teachers' is in principle a good idea, but only if the senior teachers (Heads, Deputy's and Asst Heads etc) give the teachers the backing that they'd need.
Are you a dinner lady? Also, are blue rinses mandatory?
 
#19
Phooey said:
I think 'soldiers to teachers' is in principle a good idea, but only if the senior teachers (Heads, Deputy's and Asst Heads etc) give the teachers the backing that they'd need.
I can see why ex soldiers might make good students at uni but I think it has as much to do with the fact they will be mature students who, pretty much on the whole, work harder and appreciate their time at uni more, because they know what it is to work for a living, and also have made a definate choice to go and study rather than drift into it because "its what you do" like many of the 18yr olds do.
I worked as a teacher before I joined up and from my experience a good system in a school backing up teachers with regard to discipline is far more influential than a military background. No doubt life experience and confidence gained from the military is useful but to be honestif the expectation is that the kids will do something simply because you told them to like your squaddies did then your soldier may be in for a bit of a shock when they are promptly ignored. Many teachers are left on their own with regard to discipline and are even undermined by the school reversing their decisions, even on minor sanctions. Soldiers ultimately obey orders they don't like because there are consequences if they don't, this is often not the case in schools, all the shouting and growling in the world simply makes no difference without a system to back it up.

By all means make it easier for ex-squaddies to become teachers because its another option for them but don't hold your breath it'll make any difference to the schools.
 
#20
There are a lot of ex-military already in colleges, teaching Public Uniformed Service Courses. These are courses for youngsters who want to go on and join one of the services or the police/ fire service.

The ex-military guys do run a tight ship and tend to be able to handle the scrotes in class. There is one particular guy, down in a college in the New Forest, who runs his course like a cadet boot camp, with uniforms the lot.

But why should we try and be the Governments answer to school behaviour problems? Surely in should start in the home? It's parents that need educating now-a-days. When only this week i saw a young mother in ASDA scream "Shut the fcuk up, you fcuking little cnut!", at her little boy who was no more than 4. With parents like that, what chance do children have.
 

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