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Soldiering- a Dying Art ?

#5
Well my soldering skills are still as good as ever. I think calling it an art is going a bit far though never mind a dying one but i'm finally glad us technicians are getting the regognition we deserve from the other trades although i've always though of my self more of an engineer than an artist. More Brunel than Picasso. :lol:
 
#9
It's not a 7 - Segment display is it? Had a guy on my class I solder the whole thing on to the wrong side of the vero - board. Priceless! He had ambitions to go FofS. Hmmm...:lol:
 
#11
Anyone remember a guy called Pete, he managed to set his Tech Sgt on fire by trying to re-fill his (lit) gas pen soldering iron?

Or has this thread been hijacked by Techs, either way i like it....
 
#12
In respect to the original thread I fear you may be slightly correct. I think we, as a Corps, need to put more emphasis on basic soldiering skills. We need to spend more time revising our basic infantry skills, getting onto the ranges (even if it's just the DCCT/SAT) and start regenerating our knowledge of these areas. It is VERY embarassing the run a range where half the Regiment fails their APWT (and we're talking the Other Arms version too!!!). It is also quite embarassing to go on a Sqn Battlecamp and find that people's BASIC skills are not nearly up to standard.

Is someone at a higher level going to address this and push it down to Commanding Officers to enforce? Until then I think we'll continue to go on till we scrap the requirement for Signals to even bother to do an APWT.
 
#13
CaptainBlackadder said:
It is VERY embarassing the run a range where half the Regiment fails their APWT (and we're talking the Other Arms version too!!!). It is also quite embarassing to go on a Sqn Battlecamp and find that people's BASIC skills are not nearly up to standard.
If this is a problem at your unit deal with it in traditional R Sigs fashion, either dont bother with battlecamps, or just have someone sign off the paperwork as passes. This only becomes a problem on ops, apparantly the a-rabs arent as impressed by a paperwork pass on your APWT.

Or alternatively become a single mother and deploy a "no babysitter" excuse whenever duties or mil skills are noticed.

I'm not bitter, I just come across that way.
 
#14
CaptainBlackadder said:
In respect to the original thread I fear you may be slightly correct. I think we, as a Corps, need to put more emphasis on basic soldiering skills. We need to spend more time revising our basic infantry skills, getting onto the ranges (even if it's just the DCCT/SAT) and start regenerating our knowledge of these areas. It is VERY embarassing the run a range where half the Regiment fails their APWT (and we're talking the Other Arms version too!!!). It is also quite embarassing to go on a Sqn Battlecamp and find that people's BASIC skills are not nearly up to standard.

Is someone at a higher level going to address this and push it down to Commanding Officers to enforce? Until then I think we'll continue to go on till we scrap the requirement for Signals to even bother to do an APWT.
This got discussed a few months back with some good suggestions but the same old answer came back. Where will the funds come from. The reason people fail their APWT is not because they are a bad soldiers its because they are expected to go down to the range, rush through zeroing then rush through an APWT then they wont fire a weapon again till the next ITD week. Rather than keep regular mil training as part of the weekly program units prefer to try to do as much as physically possible in 1 week. Of course people will look cr@p if they are expected to do something they havent practiced for a year. Hence their basic skills not being upto standard on battlecamp. I've done a good batllecamp with a good training package and bugger me it was hard work yet thoroughly enjoyable and people learned a lot on top of refreshing their basics.

Oh and Ironrations, don't know the event your talking about but i've seen that many a time, I've also seen a tech blow himself accross a workshop cos he put a 3 pin mains plug onto a 12vDc soldering iron and plugged it in. oh how i chuckled.
 
#15
Spot on Bully, our soldiers arn't crap at shooting any less than anyone else its just they spend so much time polishing their 43's or stagging on they forget which end of a rifle the bullet comes out of!

If we actually followed the Army Operational Shooting Policy and had progressive trg (Stages 1 and 2) before we went on the range for APWT (stage 3) some people may actually pass (without the aid of the 5.56mm pencil!!)

At the end of the day it comes down to money, i.e there just are not enough bullets to go round (apparently theres a war on or something!)
 
#16
to be honest as much as this is true we are never going to find the time when sprogs are being posted to units half trade trained to save money. So the more experience members of the troop spend their time covering for the fact half the manpower in the troop can't do their job and trying to teach them on equipment they have absolutely no understanding of.
 
#17
Zorro said:
If we actually followed the Army Operational Shooting Policy and had progressive trg (Stages 1 and 2) before we went on the range for APWT (stage 3) some people may actually pass (without the aid of the 5.56mm pencil!!)
Eh? Most of my unit pass but as TA do we do a different test (I'm not talking about the grouping and zeroing thats required for the bounty ... talking about the proper test).

I know we do a shorter CFT but I wasn't aware we did less for other ITDs?
 
#18
Yes you do a different APWT like we do a different APWT to Infantrymen.

What was said earlier regarding the shooting policy is so right. We dont even coach our soldiers correctly just chuck em 25 rounds and expect them to get "sufficient" grouping.

All those new SA B 90`s take note. Dont just be a wallflower get activily involved and tell the RCO when your soldier is ready, not the other way around. :wink:
 
#19
Thebull140 said:
...I think calling it an art is going a bit far though never mind a dying one but i'm finally glad us technicians are getting the regognition we deserve from the other trades although i've always though of my self more of an engineer than an artist. More Brunel than Picasso. :lol:
No, Bully, young man sonnyjim fella me lad,

I think you'll find that most people believe techs to have 'artistic tendencies', like male dancers, hairdressers etc. It's not quite the same thing.

:twisted:
 
#20
Disco said:
Yes you do a different APWT like we do a different APWT to Infantrymen.

What was said earlier regarding the shooting policy is so right. We dont even coach our soldiers correctly just chuck em 25 rounds and expect them to get "sufficient" grouping.

All those new SA B 90`s take note. Dont just be a wallflower get activily involved and tell the RCO when your soldier is ready, not the other way around. :wink:
Agree 100% mate. Range time is at a premium, even more so during large-scale operational deployments (such as Iraq) when units about to deploy get priority over everyone else. A little forward planning by the unit would improve things ten-fold. Most units have (or have available) either a SAT or DCCT. I am also sure there are many SAA instructors out there who do very little to be proactive in taking WHT's/coaching lessons.

Get amongst it, teach people properly - not just teaching the test, but teaching the weapon system. For some, they have not had a proper rifle lesson since Basic Training. Dig out the pam, revise/reteach the essentals (key point checklist, firing drills, firing from combat positions) and PRACTICE in the SAT/DCCT prior to the range. If nothing else, it will at least identify those firers who require more supervision, which should make it easier to supervise them on the range!

Rant over :lol:

Seriously, we, as a Corps, pay lip service to the basics. If everyone was tuaght properly, and revised regularly, we would have much better results.

Ghost
 

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