Soldier to Officer...Via Two Failures at Westbury

#1
Ladies, Gents,
The title of the thread pretty much sums it up. Two tries at Westbury, guess how those turned out. First was a fair cop, second was so painfully close. So now I've passed soldier selection and been given a date for starties. Aside from LE, is there a different system for getting another shot at Officer selection from the ranks? Not that I'll be unhappy as a soldier, or even that I'm using it as a means to an end, but I want to be an Officer and the recruiters, including the major who gave the closing interview at soldier selection, said to be honest they didn't know what I was doing not at RMAS. I mention this only to prevent the what makes you think you're good enough responses.
Looking forward to responses, thanks to all who read the question.
 
#2
Ladies, Gents,
The title of the thread pretty much sums it up. Two tries at Westbury, guess how those turned out. First was a fair cop, second was so painfully close. So now I've passed soldier selection and been given a date for starties. Aside from LE, is there a different system for getting another shot at Officer selection from the ranks? Not that I'll be unhappy as a soldier, or even that I'm using it as a means to an end, but I want to be an Officer and the recruiters, including the major who gave the closing interview at soldier selection, said to be honest they didn't know what I was doing not at RMAS. I mention this only to prevent the what makes you think you're good enough responses.
Looking forward to responses, thanks to all who read the question.
Join as a soldier, but don't get too above yourself with the above.

Listen, learn, and develop (Adv Trg for example, leadership skills courses).

Possibly mature and become a better all round bloke.

Bad news... The procedure for soldier to officer is the same as civvie to officer. You will go through the same AOSB. If anything, it is a little harder to become an officer from soldier. But it's how you get up again, not how you fall.
 
#3
Couple of years in the ranks may give you the skills and experience you need to become an officer, but no-one likes a braggart and if you constantly say how 'you're just a soldier until you can get to Sandhurst', you won't get anywhere.
 
#4
Thanks chocolate_frog, I don't mind doing Westbury again I'm just keen to know that you get another pop. Not that I'm a dead cert, or even not a douche, but maybe in a few years, with courses as you say, and a tour or two I'd like to go back. Failing that I'm looking forward to being a tom.
 
#6
I wouldn't quote me but I was under the impression that you were only allowed two attempts at main board.
So if you have failed twice as a civvie you will not be allowed another chance as a soldier.
Sorry to dampen the mood, just trying to be realistic. Though I could be talking nonsense.......
 
#7
CR,

If you have already failed AOSB twice, it is highly unlikely that you will get another chance. The failure rate is fairly consistent. AOSB is specifically designed to weed out individuals who do not possess the necessary attributes or potential to become Officers. If you join thinking that this is what you are going to do, you will only be disappointed and become disillusioned. My advice would be to seriously consider your options. Soldiers, and in particular NCOs, are the backbone of the British Army. In addition, Command and Leadership is devolved down to the lowest levels. There is no shame in Non-commissioned service. The Army could not function without it. If you still want to join, then do so. However, try to be the very best soldier you can be and make the most of the opportunity.
 
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PrinceAlbert

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#8
I wouldn't quote me but I was under the impression that you were only allowed two attempts at main board.
So if you have failed twice as a civvie you will not be allowed another chance as a soldier.
Sorry to dampen the mood, just trying to be realistic. Though I could be talking nonsense.......
I was under the same impression, though I may be wrong too!
 
#9
Yeah, way to rain on my parade... No, I'm joking, thanks for the responses there all of you, I'm sure I'll be happy as a soldier I'm certainly looking forward to it. I just wanted to know where I stood with AOSB. Thanks again for your help, I appreciate the honest opinions.
CockneyR
 
#10
To be honest, if you were "just short" of the required standard, there is a chance you might do very well as an NCO. A rapid progression through the NCO ranks will probably be far more satisfying than a mediochre career as an officer, ending up as a passed over Major having only ever held a grand total of 4 different ranks. Set your sights on RSM (or ASM etc) and enjoy the ride!
 
#11
Cheers Blokeonabike, I'm going to go there and enjoy it. I'll stroll up to the first RSM I see and demand his rank slide. You'll see it in the news this summer ''Army Recruit Strangled To Death On Parade With His Own Pubic Hair''
 
#12
One rank at a time young Jedi!
 
#13
There's always the RAF Officer career route! Or, AIB with the Navy for that matter...though they tend to look for the same attributes as AOSB.

My own harsh opinion is if you are joining as a soldier solely to get to RMAS, don't join. If you're joining to be a soldier because you want to be a soldier, then good luck.
 
#14
If you are destined for the soldier option, choose your trade carefully. Choose a high-grade role with plenty of scope for promotion. Int Corps is a good start.

There's millions of threads on ARRSE about this type of career choice.
 
#15
You would be surprised at the number of non-commissioned Royal Marines who are graduates. Were you to fail AIB and POC at Lympstone then you could feel arguably more settled in the Marine ranks.

Away to the recruiting office with you and find out.
 
#16
Well Nick, the RN does look quite fun, but long application process. And the RAF...well the Navy looks good.
Fat_Cav, noted, thanks for the advice. It's very sage.
Augustus, also thanks. All good food for thought.
 
#17
Mate, you have been told to **** off twice, how more often do you need to be told?
 
#18
You can be an officer: command and lead men without a commission, Ultimately the Commission bit just means:

"sit in an office and separate yourself from the men within three years of joining the army, in order to regale your mess with your stories from you one tour as Platoon or troop commander, until the end of time."
 
#19
Its hard to give advice as we know little of your present circumstances.

The advice below assumes you are aged 21 or 22 and have a degree; if not, go and get one and join OTC!
I would imagine an OTC Commanding Officer's recommendation still carries a lot of weight at RAOSB (or whatever it is called now!) and may get your foot through the door again.

Assuming you are a graduate, you should look at your current prospects and decide if joining the Army as a squaddie will improve them.

If you can't get a professional job at the moment, then sign up for four years and see if you enjoy it. You will always have the degree to complement the skills you pick up in the Army to get a good job at the end of it and the Army is much better than the dole or McDonalds!

If you have a good professional job (or reasonable prospects of getting one) at the moment you would be mad to jack it in to join up, but joining the TA might be a good chance to see if you like Army life. If after a year in the TA, you decide to enlist at least you are making an informed decision.

Try to keep as many options open, do the Army still have O type engagements or is that a thing of the past?

Until you are in a job it is hard to know if you are going to enjoy it but ask yourself how you are going to feel when a semi literate lance jack of room temperature IQ (who is younger than you) is bossing you around (in a hazardous situation)?

In addition, if you are thinking of staying in for a whole career,supporting a wife and kids on an NCO's pay can be pretty difficult if you compare your standard of living with that of your mates from Uni'.

Therefore, if you are going to enlist, as Fat Cav said, pick your Regt/Corps carefully Int, Sigs, RAMC, REME spring to mind.

Another idea, have you thought about the graduate fast track MoD civilian route? A few of my mates from Uni did this and had a ball!

Good luck mate!
 

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#20
You can be an officer: command and lead men without a commission, Ultimately the Commission bit just means:

"sit in an office and separate yourself from the men within three years of joining the army, in order to regale your mess with your stories from you one tour as Platoon or troop commander, until the end of time."
Ya-a-a-wn...
 

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