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Discussion in 'Int Corps' started by t_hedgehog, Jan 8, 2009.

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  1. Hi.

    I am a 22 year old non grad. I have high enough grades at GCSE and A Level to join as an officer but do I need a degree for Int Corps? Do I need a 2nd language?

    I am really interested in Intelligence but if I can't join as an officer can I join as a soldier and work my way up? I have been told I can apply for a commission after getting cpl but is this realistic? Or can I transfer in from another branch, signals for instance? What are my options?
     
  2. As far as I'm aware its rather unlikely that you would be selected as an officer without a degree I hear. Transfering is a rather long winded process too (took me 12 years!). I know of guys commissioning as JNCO's but as far as I'm aware they're not staying within the corps.
     
  3. 12 years to transfer!?

    I meet the minimum requirements of A level or equivalent for officer on the Army Jobs site but it looks like i'm unlikely to to get into a specialised job.

    I also easily meet the requirements for OMI and this seems my most likely route into the Int Corps.

    I have heard that if you are commissioned as a JNCO then you can't stay with your original regiment, is this the case?

    It seems to be a toss up between being in Intelligence or being an Officer.
     
  4. My 12 years was more due to me getting my idiot years over with.... Some who may know me might not think thats long enough! We had plenty of guys with degrees on the OPMI course. Even more with A levels.
     
  5. Whilst in Sandhurst you will make a list of which corps you wish to commission into. You can put Int down but it's up to them whether they accept you. I have yet to meet an Int officer who was a non-grad.

    As a soldier, you can apply to attend the officer selection board at any point. Your Platoon Commander will put you forward if they think you're suitable. Senior NCO's can apply for a Late Entry commission but the head shed in Int were not keen on LE's - this was a year ago and may have changed.

    You need to decide whether you want to be an officer and 'manage' the Int troops and Int reports, or be an NCO and actually do the Int work. That's a huge generalisation but the jist is there.

    Jack
     
  6. They're certainly not over yet!
     
  7. I didn't think anyone from the corps had seen the upper lip adornment I'm sporting yet. I may be wrong!
     
  8. As if that PTI vest didn't make you gay enough already..................
     
  9. Its ace!, It really brings out the red in my eyes!
     
  10. WO1s.
     
  11. It also disturbs me that the WOs/Sgts Mess of the future is denied the best JNCOs who are creamed off for DE- most likely elsewhere in the Army, DE transferees are gifted SO2 jobs and command appointments while those with the real experience and knowledge(in comparison to JNCO going for DE and DE transferees) - Int Corps WO2 and SNCOs -are not permitted to commission as LEs as it is restricted to WO1s, promotion to which is going to get harder and harder.

    Frankly if I were an outsider looking in for the past several years I could only surmise that senior decision makers had a pathological dislike for SNCOs and WOs who first joined the Int Corps and werent Huminters, preferring instead to bring in anyone else as preferable Officer material. Of course 2008/9 might be the start of change.

    I would like to see the day when our Corps actively encourages those that are more than capable of being selected and trained as an Officer in another Regiment or Corps or Service to choose to join our Corps over commissioning elsewhere and make a full career as a soldier, commissioning towards the end of their service and carrying on because they like our ethos, the way we conduct business and the impact we can and do have.

    Perhaps someone will realise one day that if we send high calibre Cpls (for exampe) to do jobs interacting with the rest of the Army that calibre will be recognised and as a result people think 'bloody hell - hes a Cpl in the Int Corps - he could quite easily be a SNCO or Officer in my unit...'.

    Of course some leave our Corps and make the grade in organisations such as The Parachute Regiment and the Light Infantry - best wishes, and some will leave and commission into the RLC. Err...ok. Some of those will even come back as transferee DEs into the Corps! Naturally some people want to push themselves, and some people are frustrated by those at the level immediately above them so decide to do something different.

    You are not guaranteed happiness or job satisfaction as an Officer or Soldier but it is up to you to decide where you think you will be happiest. Dont join as an Officer because you think your 'status' as a soldier is beneath you, or because of peer or family pressure - do it because you want to.
     
  12. Pfft. The reality now...
    If you're a 22 year-old bloke, go soldier. You'll be surrounded by young ladies who you can smash most nights of the week before they pass out of Phase 2 and get issued with their new military arses. If you go officer you'll have hardly anything to smash around you.
    If you're a 22 year-old lady, you'd do well in both.
    These trends will tend to continue after training.
     
  13. It also disturbs me that the WOs/Sgts Mess of the future is denied the best JNCOs who are creamed off for DE- most likely elsewhere in the Army, DE transferees are gifted SO2 jobs and command appointments while those with the real experience and knowledge(in comparison to JNCO going for DE and DE transferees) - Int Corps WO2 and SNCOs -are not permitted to commission as LEs as it is restricted to WO1s, promotion to which is going to get harder and harder.

    Frankly if I were an outsider looking in for the past several years I could only surmise that senior decision makers had a pathological dislike for SNCOs and WOs who first joined the Int Corps and werent Huminters, preferring instead to bring in anyone else as preferable Officer material. Of course 2008/9 might be the start of change.

    I would like to see the day when our Corps actively encourages those that are more than capable of being selected and trained as an Officer in another Regiment or Corps or Service to choose to join our Corps over commissioning elsewhere and make a full career as a soldier, commissioning towards the end of their service and carrying on because they like our ethos, the way we conduct business and the impact we can and do have.

    Perhaps someone will realise one day that if we send high calibre Cpls (for exampe) to do jobs interacting with the rest of the Army that calibre will be recognised and as a result people think 'bloody hell - hes a Cpl in the Int Corps - he could quite easily be a SNCO or Officer in my unit...'.

    Of course some leave our Corps and make the grade in organisations such as The Parachute Regiment and the Light Infantry - best wishes, and some will leave and commission into the RLC. Err...ok. Some of those will even come back as transferee DEs into the Corps! Naturally some people want to push themselves, and some people are frustrated by those at the level immediately above them so decide to do something different.

    You are not guaranteed happiness or job satisfaction as an Officer or Soldier but it is up to you to decide where you think you will be happiest. Dont join as an Officer because you think your 'status' as a soldier is beneath you, or because of peer or family pressure - do it because you want to.
     
  14. You're a little tiddly aren't you?