Soldier is jailed over Pcs death

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Biscuits_AB

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#3
Was it f*ck. He should have got more than 5 years. Chances are he'll be out before then. I hope that the Police Officers' family launch an appeal to have the sentence extended.

Tragic loss of life and all caused by an utter c*nt.
 
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#5
That's as maybe, but let's not forget that Northumbria lost a very good officer through the drunken stupidity of this clown. I'm sure that the Inspector lives the nightmare daily and would turn the clock back if he could.
 
#6
No, he acted like a muppet and should have been properly punished.

However, when you put it in contect of what other sentences are handed out, then it could look a harsher sentence!
 
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Biscuits_AB said:
That's as maybe, but let's not forget that Northumbria lost a very good officer through the drunken stupidity of this clown. I'm sure that the Inspector lives the nightmare daily and would turn the clock back if he could.
Im pretty sure in the cold light of day the drunken clown now regrets his actions and probably will do so for the rest of life. My question is if he was to be detained overnight the arresting officers obviously believed he was capable of violence. Why wasn't a Lock up van called for whereby the only person he could have injured was himself and this situation would never have arisen.
 
#8
Judge_John said:
RAMC_Medic said:
Probably about right. Difficult though.
Had they handcuffed the chap, this tragic incident would have never taken place. I hope Northumbria Police & all other Forces take note.
Had he not been drunk and a tw@t, he wouldn't have been arrested int he first place!!!

Your comment is in the same vein at Bliars placing of the blame of mugging at the ahnds of the victims for carrying Ipods etc. What B0llox!!!
 
#9
Should have been given a suspended sentence......They should have hung the fcuker. A disgrace to his Cap Badge and the Army. Let him rot. And it goes without saying that he is discharged and loses his pension
 
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Oneshot said:
Judge_John said:
RAMC_Medic said:
Probably about right. Difficult though.
Had they handcuffed the chap, this tragic incident would have never taken place. I hope Northumbria Police & all other Forces take note.
Had he not been drunk and a tw@t, he wouldn't have been arrested int he first place!!!

Your comment is in the same vein at Bliars placing of the blame of mugging at the ahnds of the victims for carrying Ipods etc. What B0llox!!!
In Canada, if, for what ever reason, you are 'invited' for a ride in their shiney squad cars, you are handcuffed behind your back. This is their SOPs and works well.
 
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Recce19 said:
Oneshot said:
Judge_John said:
RAMC_Medic said:
Probably about right. Difficult though.
Had they handcuffed the chap, this tragic incident would have never taken place. I hope Northumbria Police & all other Forces take note.
Had he not been drunk and a tw@t, he wouldn't have been arrested int he first place!!!

Your comment is in the same vein at Bliars placing of the blame of mugging at the ahnds of the victims for carrying Ipods etc. What B0llox!!!
In Canada, if, for what ever reason, you are 'invited' for a ride in their shiney squad cars, you are handcuffed behind your back. This is their SOPs and works well.
Yes, and your right, but my point was, this is going to turn into "its the copper's fault for not doing XYZ". My point is, if the w@nker didn't do the drink driving etc in the firstplace, or was a good boy when he got arrested, then hthe copper would be alive. He should have got a harsher sentence, you can't blame it on "the establishment". I hope the police force learn from it, but it wasn't their fault.
 
#13
A moment of madness that could have been prevented by the simple expedient of hand cuffs or American style bulkheads between the front and rear seats. Even a low one would prevent interference with gears or handbrakes.

Yes, he was drunk and he had acted like a knobber but haven't many others here? Why he then decided to pull the handbrake I don't know.

Harsh sentance? not really but then it is more or less in keeping with other deaths caused by actual drivers not the back seat passengers.

Why were the rozzers doing 70mph though?
 
#14
Judge_John said:
RAMC_Medic said:
Probably about right. Difficult though.
Had they handcuffed the chap, this tragic incident would have never taken place. I hope Northumbria Police & all other Forces take note.
Think you might be missing a more salient point.....Why were there no manned police stations with cells in the Hexam area
 
#15
This is something that's been on my mind for a while now. It's an offence in some countries if rear passengers don't have a seat belt on.

What's the score if you are arrested handcuffed and placed in the rear of a police car? As you are innocent until proven guilty blah, blah, blah; there should be a duty of care to protect the suspect and the officer sat in front should an accident occure.

http://www.headington.org.uk/pics/news/accident/police_car.jpg

any thoughts?
 
#16
Ill put my two penneys worth in at this point. As a civilian copper myself ive had to transport prisoners over simialr distances to that of this incident and ive handcuffed the prisoner to the rear for the duration fo the journey. Now, the vast majority of people would probably think that this is reasonable but there is one breed of people who get off on this knd of stuff ... defence solicitors. I almost had a complaint made against me on one occasion that i did this because one defence solicitor believed that it was oppressive to handcuff a prisoner to the rear for a transport detail.

This is the kind of world we live in these days where you cant seem to do anything right. Someone will always be there to criticise you no matter what.

At the end of the day it doesnt take anythign away from this terrible tragic incident but let me assure you, if someone decides to kick off in the back of a car even when they are handcuffed to the rear, similar incidents can occur.
 
#17
I know SSgt Graham (as does any SNCO who is ex 4RA), he did a stupid idiotic thing and deserved to be punished. But the story as always is not that simple. The court will have heard welfare reports before deciding punishment and that is why the decision on sentence should always remain with them.

I have no sympathy for him, other than I was aware of his failings - failings that we all have
 
#18
The decision of sentencing depends on a number of things from the circumstances surrounding the incident, previous convictions or evidence of bad character (if any), how the defendant pleaded (guilty in this case which would have substantially reduced the sentence) and a number of other things.

At the end of the day manslaughter is manslaughter and i personally feel that a harsher sentence should have been imposed but then its not my job or responsibility to do that.

One thing to remember is although this person will only spend a few years in prison he is going to have to live with the death of another for the rest of his life and so in my opinion he has been given a life sentence in a way.
 
#19
If you can't hold your drink then don't drink at all.We have a policeman dead here folks and his colleague injured because of a brain dead senior nco who did not want to be taken into custody.Think of the family of the dead policeman before you think about this fool.The policemans job is hard enough without drunken soldiers who "are supposed to be disciplined" causing mayhem in our streets.
 

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