Soldier convicted of stealing ammunition

oldbaldy

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The Army was warned it must tighten its procedures after a soldier pleaded guilty to stealing and illegally possessing ammunition he hung onto after a training exercise.

Private Christopher Trussler, 29, admitted to taking 21 rounds of 9mm ammunition following a training exercise in Northern Ireland in May this year.

The court heard that Trussler was arrested after an undercover operation involving Scotland Yard’s Operation Trident, which combats gun crime in the black community.

Trussler, who has been suspended from the Prince of Wales’s Royal Regiment based at Baker Barracks, near Chichester in West Sussex, was detained after trying to sell the bullets.

Judge Anthony Thorpe raised concerns about the Army’s procedures after hearing that Trussler kept the ammunition following a training exercise in Northern Ireland then tried to sell it.

Judge Thorpe told Chichester Crown Court: “This is a matter for real concern. If the Army’s control of live ammunition on the face of it is that lax one wishes to hear about it as I would expect at the end of a training exercise weapons or ammunition should be accounted for.

“I think the Army should consider very carefully how they approach matters in the future.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/09/nammo109.xml
 

Mr_Fingerz

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oldbaldy said:
The Army was warned it must tighten its procedures after a soldier pleaded guilty to stealing and illegally possessing ammunition he hung onto after a training exercise.

Private Christopher Trussler, 29, admitted to taking 21 rounds of 9mm ammunition following a training exercise in Northern Ireland in May this year.

The court heard that Trussler was arrested after an undercover operation involving Scotland Yard’s Operation Trident, which combats gun crime in the black community.

Trussler, who has been suspended from the Prince of Wales’s Royal Regiment based at Baker Barracks, near Chichester in West Sussex, was detained after trying to sell the bullets.

Judge Anthony Thorpe raised concerns about the Army’s procedures after hearing that Trussler kept the ammunition following a training exercise in Northern Ireland then tried to sell it.

Judge Thorpe told Chichester Crown Court: “This is a matter for real concern. If the Army’s control of live ammunition on the face of it is that lax one wishes to hear about it as I would expect at the end of a training exercise weapons or ammunition should be accounted for.

“I think the Army should consider very carefully how they approach matters in the future.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/09/nammo109.xml
New regiment to me.
 
#4
Heard it on the news on the way back from Bangor.Makes you wonder how stupid he was to steal it in the first place!Maybe he was looking for a way out of the Army I dont know,but I remember stories (and I have no proof to back this up) of buck-shee ammo floating around in the various units in Ulster.But as I said,I dont know if that's true.
Regards,
Spike
 
#5
The court heard that Trussler had convictions dating back to 1996 when he committed two offences of theft.

In 1997 he was convicted of a burglary, in 2000 of an offence of drunk and disorderly behaviour, in 2004 of making a false statement of benefits, in 2006 of obstructing an officer and in 2007 of drink driving.

"As an ex-serving officer I would ask how he remained in the armed forces," said the judge.
Apparently he had a history of theft.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/6938387.stm
 

oldbaldy

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spike7451 said:
Heard it on the news on the way back from Bangor.Makes you wonder how stupid he was to steal it in the first place!Maybe he was looking for a way out of the Army I dont know,but I remember stories (and I have no proof to back this up) of buck-shee ammo floating around in the various units in Ulster.But as I said,I dont know if that's true.
Regards,
Spike
I never had any despite what you have heard & anyway you can't prove it :wink:
 
#7
Couldn't agree more with the judge. We should only issue troops with ammunition right before they need it in a firefight.

"Half right! 200m! Taliban in open! Rapid Fff...illinyourindentproduceavalidammunitionhandler'scertificateandwithamagazineof30roundsload!" Then have bloke-with-clipboard standing over them accounting for each shot to make sure the sneaky devils don't have it away on their toes with a live round, empty case or parts thereof.

Alternatively, we could just place a bit of trust in the blokes and punish them if they fall short.
 
#8
Stupid tool, trying to sell it.

Lock him up.
 
#9
FCUKING idiot firstly for getting caught and secondly for trying to sell it to CNUTS who would of used it for crime or drug related reasons. :x
 
#10
Actually, I think the judge is right. How the Army can think it is sensible to give soldiers undefined amounts of LIVE LETHAL ammunition that can KILL people and not do the simple checks as to whether they've used it all is beyond me.

What is so hard about having an officer counting all the bangs, writing them down and then matching the number with the number of empty cases or rounds handed back?
 
#11
Dilfor said:
What is so hard about having an officer counting all the bangs, writing them down and then matching the number with the number of empty cases or rounds handed back?
Is this a waaah, or have you never actually been on a range?
 
#12
Dilfor said:
What is so hard about having an officer counting all the bangs, writing them down and then matching the number with the number of empty cases or rounds handed back?
Wah?
Make the plt Sgt do it...
 
#13
Dilfor said:
Actually, I think the judge is right. How the Army can think it is sensible to give soldiers undefined amounts of LIVE LETHAL ammunition that can KILL people and not do the simple checks as to whether they've used it all is beyond me.

What is so hard about having an officer counting all the bangs, writing them down and then matching the number with the number of empty cases or rounds handed back?
Are you fcuking kidding last time we issued 5,000 rounds and young Pte Smith counted 6,222 bangs. We still managed to collect 7,144 empty cases though so Ill be doing the paperwork for the next six months now.

You can see it after a patrol in Afghan.

Ok sonny how come after your last patrol you were issued 200 live rounds but have only brought back 75 plus 11 empty cases. :roll:
 
#14
Hugh_Jardon said:
Dilfor said:
What is so hard about having an officer counting all the bangs, writing them down and then matching the number with the number of empty cases or rounds handed back?
Wah?
Make the plt Sgt do it...
A good thought - but they would quickly run out of fingers & toes when dealing with automatic weapons.
 
#15
Think about it you plank.

You pretty well answered your own question there.
 
#16
Mr_Creosote said:
Think about it you plank.

You pretty well answered your own question there.
Hmm.

I guess you're right. Perhaps it wasn't that well thought through. :oops: I suppose thunderstorms or motorbikes backfiring in the vicinity could also play havoc with the counting process?

I was talking about training, however. In an operational scenario there would be bangs coming from the other side, so I guess some kind of reconciliation of figures at the end of the firefight with the auditor for the opposition would be needed to 'balance the books' so to speak. It would need a bit of honesty to stop, say, the Taliban trying to claim they fired less ammunition and thus assist in their LSI, but that would cut both ways.
 
#17
Dilfor said:
Actually, I think the judge is right. How the Army can think it is sensible to give soldiers undefined amounts of LIVE LETHAL ammunition that can KILL people and not do the simple checks as to whether they've used it all is beyond me.
How the Army can think it is sensible to give soldiers limited amounts of NON FUNCTIONAL NON-LETHAL ammunition that cannot KILL people?

Oh wait............

But the bloke must have been an absolute cretin. Pilfering stores, spares etc is bad enough but live ammo and selling it scumbags? Throw away the key.
 
#18
Dilfor said:
I guess you're right. Perhaps it wasn't that well thought through. :oops: I suppose thunderstorms or motorbikes backfiring in the vicinity could also play havoc with the counting process?
Or more than one firer doing anything more than one round per target....
 
#19
spike7451 said:
Heard it on the news on the way back from Bangor.Makes you wonder how stupid he was to steal it in the first place!Maybe he was looking for a way out of the Army I dont know,but I remember stories (and I have no proof to back this up) of buck-shee ammo floating around in the various units in Ulster.But as I said,I dont know if that's true.
Regards,
Spike

Careful Spike, you could end up in S Breens, SundayLife coloumn, :lol:
 
#20
Quote from BBC article noted earlier-

The court heard that Trussler had convictions dating back to 1996 when he committed two offences of theft.

In 1997 he was convicted of a burglary, in 2000 of an offence of drunk and disorderly behaviour, in 2004 of making a false statement of benefits, in 2006 of obstructing an officer and in 2007 of drink driving.

"As an ex-serving officer I would ask how he remained in the armed forces," said the judge.
I suspect at least some of these offences predate his enlistment, and others after it. Are offences like this really a surprise when we recruit and retain the cream of British youth (as epitomised by our man Trussler).
 

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