Soldier admits assaulting recruit

#1
A soldier who hit an army recruit and made others eat dust, grass and string and lick wax has pleaded guilty to ill treatment and assault.
Colour Sergeant Christopher Broome, 37, of Dover, Kent, admitted eight counts of ill treating a soldier and one count of battery at a court martial.

The offences took place at Sir John Moore Barracks in Winchester, Hampshire, on 25 July last year.

Colour Sgt Broome won the Conspicuous Gallantry Cross in Iraq in 2004.

He was given the award, which is second only to the Victoria Cross, when he bayonet charged Iraqi insurgents at Al Majar Al Kabir.

After the tour of duty in Iraq, he was posted to the army training regiment Sir John Moore Barracks, where the offences involving recruits taking part in basic training took place.

Colour Sgt Broome, from the 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wales's Royal Regiment, admitted hitting Private Simon Eikins on the head with a pace stick.

He also admitted ordering eight other recruits to eat dust or string, grass and a piece of plastic and to lick wax or boot polish off his pace stick - a stick used to measure military paces.

Christopher Hill, defending, said Colour Sgt Broome admitted with hindsight that he had ill treated the recruits and that he had been reckless when he "tapped" Pte Eikins over the head with the pace stick, causing him to need hospital treatment.

The case was adjourned for a sentencing hearing at Aldershot on Friday.

Sgt Broome is currently posted in Paderborn, Germany
 
#2
india-juliet said:
A soldier who hit an army recruit and made others eat dust, grass and string and lick wax has pleaded guilty to ill treatment and assault.
Colour Sergeant Christopher Broome, 37, of Dover, Kent, admitted eight counts of ill treating a soldier and one count of battery at a court martial.

The offences took place at Sir John Moore Barracks in Winchester, Hampshire, on 25 July last year.

Colour Sgt Broome won the Conspicuous Gallantry Cross in Iraq in 2004.

He was given the award, which is second only to the Victoria Cross, when he bayonet charged Iraqi insurgents at Al Majar Al Kabir.

After the tour of duty in Iraq, he was posted to the army training regiment Sir John Moore Barracks, where the offences involving recruits taking part in basic training took place.

Colour Sgt Broome, from the 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wales's Royal Regiment, admitted hitting Private Simon Eikins on the head with a pace stick.

He also admitted ordering eight other recruits to eat dust or string, grass and a piece of plastic and to lick wax or boot polish off his pace stick - a stick used to measure military paces.

Christopher Hill, defending, said Colour Sgt Broome admitted with hindsight that he had ill treated the recruits and that he had been reckless when he "tapped" Pte Eikins over the head with the pace stick, causing him to need hospital treatment.

The case was adjourned for a sentencing hearing at Aldershot on Friday.


Sgt Broome is currently posted in Paderborn, Germany
Tapped on the head WTF?!?
 
#5
Probably with hindsight, it was not the best place to send someone who had until recently been bayoneting Iraqi insurgents at Al Majar Al Kabir

I am not saying everyone who has been to Iraq, is waking up in the middle of the night with cold shakes etc, but possibly a more appropriate posting could have been found for this guy as working with recruits obviously wont be going on his military C.V. as a successful experience.

Also considering the state of the people we receive at my unit from training he probably deserved the bar on his Gallantry Cross. As 9 out of 10 of them are pure sh1te, with no ounce of discipline, moral fibre, or honesty, in their sorry existence.

Still doesn’t give you the right to bully and kick the sh1te out of people by abusing your authority.
 
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india-juliet said:
He was given the award, which is second only to the Victoria Cross, when he bayonet charged Iraqi insurgents at Al Majar Al Kabir.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/military/story/0,,1239007,00.html

Military police are investigating new allegations of ill-treatment of Iraqis by British troops after complaints by the Red Cross
...
on May 14 near the town of Majar al-Kabir, on the Amara-Basra road in southern Iraq
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The troops were attacked, apparently by gunmen loyal to the militant Shia cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, with machine guns, mortars and rocket-propelled grenades, and suffered two minor casualties, according to the MoD. Some soldiers fixed bayonets as a precaution, though none was used in the fighting, said the ministry.
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The ministry did not deny that Iraqis were injured by British soldiers, saying only that none of the injuries was caused by a bayonet.
I propose my version. I know you will not like it. I repeat, it is only a version.

Captured Iraqis were bayoneted. The MoD covered the story, moreover, awarded alleged war criminal. Unpunished crime caused new crime and we see the result now.
 
#7
KGB_resident said:
I propose my version. I know you will not like it. I repeat, it is only a version.

Captured Iraqis were bayoneted. The MoD covered the story, moreover, awarded alleged war criminal. Unpunished crime caused new crime and we see the result now.
And you propose this on what grounds?
 
#9
Carcass said:
KGB_resident said:
I propose my version. I know you will not like it. I repeat, it is only a version.

Captured Iraqis were bayoneted. The MoD covered the story, moreover, awarded alleged war criminal. Unpunished crime caused new crime and we see the result now.
And you propose this on what grounds?
Our friend India-juliet said 'he bayonet charged Iraqi insurgents' but according to the MoD bayonets were not used in the fighting. So captured insurgents were bayoneted.
 
#10
KGB_resident said:
india-juliet said:
He was given the award, which is second only to the Victoria Cross, when he bayonet charged Iraqi insurgents at Al Majar Al Kabir.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/military/story/0,,1239007,00.html

Military police are investigating new allegations of ill-treatment of Iraqis by British troops after complaints by the Red Cross
...
on May 14 near the town of Majar al-Kabir, on the Amara-Basra road in southern Iraq
...
The troops were attacked, apparently by gunmen loyal to the militant Shia cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, with machine guns, mortars and rocket-propelled grenades, and suffered two minor casualties, according to the MoD. Some soldiers fixed bayonets as a precaution, though none was used in the fighting, said the ministry.
...
The ministry did not deny that Iraqis were injured by British soldiers, saying only that none of the injuries was caused by a bayonet.
I propose my version. I know you will not like it. I repeat, it is only a version.

Captured Iraqis were bayoneted. The MoD covered the story, moreover, awarded alleged war criminal. Unpunished crime caused new crime and we see the result now.
Wild speculation then with no basis in reality, this isnt russia fella, things like this may happen in your army but not ours.

And this kind of abuse is a hell of a lot more common in russia, were conscripted soldiers who've been in a while are called "grandfathers" and its bassically there job to beat the new recruits in the wash room to make them do their admin for them.
 
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mark1234 said:
Wild speculation then with no basis in reality, this isnt russia fella, things like this may happen in your army but not ours.

And this kind of abuse is a hell of a lot more common in russia, were conscripted soldiers who've been in a while are called "grandfathers" and its bassically there job to beat the new recruits in the wash room to make them do their admin for them.
Mark!

india-juliet said:
A soldier who hit an army recruit and made others eat dust, grass and string and lick wax has pleaded guilty to ill treatment and assault.
Colour Sergeant Christopher Broome, 37, of Dover, Kent, admitted eight counts of ill treating a soldier and one count of battery at a court martial.
Maybe it is a mistake?
 
#12
im talking about your comment about bayoneting captured iraqis being fiction, i know the abuse happened.

and im also saying that bullying is far worse in the russian army than over here so get your own house sorted first
 
#13
Do you remember this story Sergey? Slightly more serious than being forced to eat dust:

Russia's defence minister yesterday condemned brutal bullying that left an army conscript fighting for his life as "shameful" and ordered a general to investigate.

The life of Andrei Sychev, 18, was "hanging by a thread", doctors said, two weeks after surgeons had to remove his legs, genitals and fingers after beatings by drunken soldiers.

According to reports, Pte Sychev was forced to crouch for three hours while being kicked and raped. His sister told the media he was tied to a chair, with circulation to his limbs cut off.
 
#14
Ex_ex said:
Do you remember this story Sergey? Slightly more serious than being forced to eat dust:

Russia's defence minister yesterday condemned brutal bullying that left an army conscript fighting for his life as "shameful" and ordered a general to investigate.

The life of Andrei Sychev, 18, was "hanging by a thread", doctors said, two weeks after surgeons had to remove his legs, genitals and fingers after beatings by drunken soldiers.

According to reports, Pte Sychev was forced to crouch for three hours while being kicked and raped. His sister told the media he was tied to a chair, with circulation to his limbs cut off.
I remember this story pretty well. All Russian TV-channel reported about it and pres.Putin specially mentioned it as absolutely unacceptable.

But do you mean that I haven't right to make any supposition because there are too many problems in russian army? I don't see a direct connection.

Returning to the theme of the thread I think that a soldier that is able to beat and abuse his fellows is able to commit war crimes against enemies. I hope you agree this this common statement.
 
#15
You are quite right Sergey, but anyone is capable of war crimes when the right ingredients are added to the mix.

Whether it’s the Russian or British Army, makes no difference nor does the level of abuse, at the end of the day the person receiving the abuse does not distinguish how bad it was, it was just bad, pure and simple.
 
#16
It is called BEASTING in the British Forces & years ago,when I joined up if you funked up,you got beasted by the NCO's.I had a Cpl back in the mid 80's.If you funked up & it was a chargable offence,you got a choice. An official charge that'd go on your record or 'My punishment',which was usually a smack in the gob & a round in the NAAFI that night.Suprisingly,more took the later than the former.(Including me!)
Would he commit war crimes because he had this approach to disciplne?I doubt it.
However,A fair percentage who join up now grew up in a 'softer' generation.We got the cane & the slipper at school.That was banned in the early 90's.You'll probably find that when the SNCO in the article joined up,beasting was more common than now & he overstepped the line.Should he have done it?No.Is he guilty of war crimes?Doubtful.
 
#17
im sick of this lefty crap, where do you think all of these baby killing phycopaths are hidden away in the british army?

we cant keep anything out of the press, anything anyone does wrong is front page news straight away, do you really think we could supress the rounding up and bayoneting of iraqis out of the media.

if in the unlikely event that you got enough bad eggs together in one place at the same time to carry out such an atrocity there would be 5 blokes with mobile phones there making videos to sell to the news of the world for £20,000 a pop.

its like when i hear from gaurdian readers about us murdering thousands of innocent iraqis, what a load of pish, where are the thousands of murderers in the british army? cos ive never met any.

yes you get the one or two undesirables as you would get in any large group of young men, but these people are made example of pretty sharpish, and most bods know that if they open fire they had better have a good reason for doing so or the media and the unwashed brigade will be all over them and they'll be up on murder charges.

Every british soldier know the ROE, and very few break them, and if they do it comes out in the end and they are royally shafted.
 
#18
spike7451 said:
It is called BEASTING in the British Forces & years ago,when I joined up if you funked up,you got beasted by the NCO's.I had a Cpl back in the mid 80's.If you funked up & it was a chargable offence,you got a choice. An official charge that'd go on your record or 'My punishment',which was usually a smack in the gob & a round in the NAAFI that night.Suprisingly,more took the later than the former.(Including me!)
Would he commit war crimes because he had this approach to disciplne?I doubt it.
However,A fair percentage who join up now grew up in a 'softer' generation.We got the cane & the slipper at school.That was banned in the early 90's.You'll probably find that when the SNCO in the article joined up,beasting was more common than now & he overstepped the line.Should he have done it?No.Is he guilty of war crimes?Doubtful.
Thats about the size of it, i would have dreamed of just eating some dust when i was in training during the 70's, rather than the usual imaginative tortures that were laid upon us by our training staff, it beggars belief..
 
#19
mark1234 said:
Every british soldier know the ROE, and very few break them, and if they do it comes out in the end and they are royally shafted.
No, punished according to the law of the land - one of the reasons we joined to uphold.

msr
 
#20
KGB_resident said:
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Our friend India-juliet said 'he bayonet charged Iraqi insurgents' but according to the MoD bayonets were not used in the fighting. So captured insurgents were bayoneted.
Sergey entirely logical, you should have been a lawyer.
You don't see this when you look in a mirror do you?


As they say in computing circles 'Garbage in, garbage out'.




As for the CSgt in the case: I'll let the court decide, that's what it's there for.

PB
 

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