Socialism in the UK

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by Olympius, Sep 3, 2009.

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  1. Recently I've become pretty annoyed at my own country.

    I often wonder why the feck I'm joining up later this month as our country goes down an incredible socialist route.

    Here you've got some gender confused tranny's getting their sex change free off the NHS. What next? Like in that South Park episode - if I suddenly want to become a dolphin will the tax payers of this country foot the bill so I can have a "fish-plasti" because it's my human right to want to look and feel like a fish?

    I could go on about how being a single mum has become a legitimate and lucrative career.....but I'm too ferked off!! :x
  2. So how is that Socialism?


    An economic system in which the basic means of production are primarily owned and controlled collectively, usually by government under some system of central planning.

    I think that pretty much describes our NHS.
  4. Ummm I hate socialism as much as the next sensible and sane person but since when was the NHS a 'basic means of production'?!
  5. It's basic as it's health care and therefore in our economic system will be the majorities decision to use and we all have to make mandatory contributions toward it.

    If the NHS isn't based on a socialist ideal then please explain how it isn't?
    (That isn't sarcastic at all by the way, if you can genuinely explain if and how it isn't a socialist ideal I would like to know :p )

  6. Perhaps liberalism may have been a better word. The idea seems to be that a liberal society is more open, receptive to new ideas and innovation, and hence more productive. The down side is that politicians can come up with some really odd ideas about what to spend our money on, not to mention a relaxation of law and order.
    You may find the armed forces are surprisingly socialist insofar as those in charge have a duty to care for those at the bottom of the heap, although this may be obscured by the hurly-burly of recruit training followed by an active service posting. Once you have time to draw breath, though, you may be pleasantly surprised.
    If you concentrate on carving yourself a decent career you should be OK. Your point is a good one, though. You want to be proud of the nation you represent. Good luck in your career.
  7. Auld-Yin

    Auld-Yin LE Reviewer Book Reviewer Reviews Editor

    Maternity wards? :D
  8. Look at the date of the article.
  9. I don't think so, but what it describes to a "T" is State Capitalism.

  10. Your points are well taken and represent the thinking of a lot of us in America as we contemplate going down some of the same roads the UK has.
  11. I believe that all the negativity generated in the US against a national medical system is very misguided.

    There are some really switched-on fellasses and fellas there, and it shouldn't be beyond their capabilities to minutely analyse the various national systems extant in the world and only take the best from each to arrive at an optimised solution. The only thing that's stopping that is the very influential lobby of the present cash-grabbing health-insurance companies.

  12. Ord_Sgt

    Ord_Sgt RIP

    I wondered how long it would take Bugsy to wade in with his 'everybody else should pay except me argument'. Socialists, they're just great, with other peoples money :roll:

    Awaiting word jokes extrodinaire in reply.......
  13. maguire

    maguire LE Book Reviewer

    you must have been looking pretty hard to get that wound up over a ten year old news story.
  14. I agree in general. I and many others here definitely think the system needs repair (such as portability throughout US, a re-insurance pool for pre-existing conditions, and tort reform to put a cap on excessive punitive damage awards) we just don't have confidence in our government to be directly involved.

    The instances where the federal government has provided health care do not engender confidence--our Veterans Administration system is an embarrassment and Medicare is riddled with fraud, waste and abuse. As I have said elsewhere on the forums, those in the US who use NHS or the equivalents in Canada, France etc. to try to make their point against our government taking over health care go too far I think and also such comparisons are misleading since the societies and traditions between the countries are different.
  15. The vast majority of UK tax payers support having the NHS. Don't confuse objections to specific treatments as = to objections of having a NHS. They are not the same.

    To flip a point. I suspect that Prof Hawking wold have died young if he was a poor citizen of the USA.

    My current G/F is a citizen of California. She has recently been treated by the the NHS for some infection. This had her bedridden for 2 weeks. She is between jobs, this would have bankrupted her if it had happened in California.

    I must add that I object to elective treatment on the NHS.