So, what are the French up to?

#1
I have just found this story:

BBC story

As we draw down at the top end of the Gulf, the French appear to be exploiting the tensions of the area for their own, primarily business, reasons.

Should we not be doing the same?

Litotes
 

Alsacien

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#3
Litotes said:
I have just found this story:

BBC story

As we draw down at the top end of the Gulf, the French appear to be exploiting the tensions of the area for their own, primarily business, reasons.

Should we not be doing the same?

Litotes
We do, as do the US.
 
#4
Ball.major.drop

This is a major win for the French as it will allow better access into the regions defence sector whatever people say, Control Risks had better watch those training contracts!


The UK has always been extremely close to the UAE, how they allowed the French in is beyond me! maybe it would have brought unwanted attention (French will anyway) and of course a UK base, however small would have involved Gordon spending money.


Maybe Sarkozy got this as a reward for coming back into NATO?
 
#5
The UAE has always split its procurement between France and UK. I remember chuckling at their attempts to fly their spanking new Mirages home from France...I think they lost 3 out of 8 during the trip.
 
#6
"Be assured that France is on your side in the event your security is at risk," Mr Sarkozy said in an interview with the UAE's official news agency.

"Through this base - the first in the Middle East - France is ready to shoulder its responsibilities to ensure stability in this strategic region."


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#7
Not been paying attention?

Since Sarkozy came to power contracts worth billions have been signed to build nuclear power stations (or provide technical advice re same) for Algeria, Libya, Morocco, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates.

At the roughly the same time as the nuclear deals, France also gets arms sales and enters "other agreements". Thus the UAE is expected to sign up for 60 Rafale fighters and one of the UAE'S sovereign wealth or investment funds make with some readies and take a stake in Areva, the French state owned nuclear group.

France is also of course selling similar skills to other countries that have completely lost the abilty to build Nuclear power stations for themselves through decades of Government wibble and inertia. On their own terms of course:

"New nuclear power stations will not be built in Britain unless the government provides financial support for the industry, the head of the country's biggest nuclear generator has warned.

Vincent de Rivaz, chief executive of the UK subsidiary of EDF, told the Financial Times a "level playing field" had to be created that would allow the nuclear industry to compete with other low-emissions electricity sources such as wind power.

His comments call into question the government's plans for a new generation of nuclear power stations, which ministers have insisted can be delivered without any additional subsidy."


http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/16b1c192-498d-11de-9e19-00144feabdc0.html

The French may be cheese eating socialist surrender monkeys but when it comes to their Government understanding the need to support their native industries and skills base, they are very devious, cunning and, well, French.
 
#8
Vonshot said:
"Be assured that France is on your side in the event your security is at risk," Mr Sarkozy said in an interview with the UAE's official news agency.

"Through this base - the first in the Middle East - France is ready to shoulder its responsibilities to ensure stability in this strategic region."


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I suppose there has to be a first time for everything. 8O

However, history has shown that France is only ever interested in protecting their own interests - bit like the Yanks. :twisted:
 

Biped

LE
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#9
Vonshot said:
"Be assured that France is on your side in the event your security is at risk," Mr Sarkozy said in an interview with the UAE's official news agency.

"Through this base - the first in the Middle East - France is ready to shoulder its responsibilities to ensure stability in this strategic region."


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As I understand things, the AUE has a very small standing army, and, in the event of attack, extra people are needed to raise the flag - the white one.
 
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ALVIN

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#10
Simple answer, ------- There is big money to be made. Need i remind you that a lot of this area floats on oil!!
 
#11
Biped said:
...As I understand things, the AUE has a very small standing army, and, in the event of attack, extra people are needed to raise the flag - the white one.
hahaha, brilliant humour, really funny.

Joking apart, this from Wikipedia:

The Trucial Oman Scouts, long the symbol of public order on the coast and commanded by British officers, were turned over to the United Arab Emirates as its defense forces in 1971.

Although small in number, the UAE armed forces are equipped with some of the most modern weapon systems, purchased from a variety of outside countries. Most UAE troops are citizens of other Arab countries and Pakistan. Officers, however, are almost all UAE nationals. Most are graduates of the United Kingdom's Royal Military Academy at Sandhurst, with others having attended the United States Military Academy at West Point, the Royal Military College, Duntroon and St. Cyr, the military academy of France. France to Open Abu Dhabi Base in May (http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=3989762)
 

Biped

LE
Book Reviewer
#12
hackle said:
Biped said:
...As I understand things, the AUE has a very small standing army, and, in the event of attack, extra people are needed to raise the flag - the white one.
hahaha, brilliant humour, really funny.

Joking apart, this from Wikipedia:

The Trucial Oman Scouts, long the symbol of public order on the coast and commanded by British officers, were turned over to the United Arab Emirates as its defense forces in 1971.

Although small in number, the UAE armed forces are equipped with some of the most modern weapon systems, purchased from a variety of outside countries. Most UAE troops are citizens of other Arab countries and Pakistan. Officers, however, are almost all UAE nationals. Most are graduates of the United Kingdom's Royal Military Academy at Sandhurst, with others having attended the United States Military Academy at West Point, the Royal Military College, Duntroon and St. Cyr, the military academy of France. France to Open Abu Dhabi Base in May (http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=3989762)
It was a dig at the French you dope!!!!! :D

I am aware of the very close ties between the UAE and British Forces, as well as other ME countries.
 
#13
In short, the French are looking after their own interests. Why not?

Whilst doing this they will naturally be ignoring any European Soviet Union diktat that may conflict with their aim.

Meanwhile, back in 'leaderless' Britain, 'Stalin' is worrying when the fatal strike of the knife will come.


Allez la belle France
 
#14
hackle said:
The Trucial Oman Scouts, long the symbol of public order on the coast and commanded by British officers, were turned over to the United Arab Emirates as its defense forces in 1971.

Although small in number, the UAE armed forces are equipped with some of the most modern weapon systems, purchased from a variety of outside countries. Most UAE troops are citizens of other Arab countries and Pakistan. Officers, however, are almost all UAE nationals. Most are graduates of the United Kingdom's Royal Military Academy at Sandhurst, with others having attended the United States Military Academy at West Point, the Royal Military College, Duntroon and St. Cyr, the military academy of France. France to Open Abu Dhabi Base in May (http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=3989762)
My bold: I've heard/read quite a few anecdotes about a lot of the Arab cadets at RMAS not really being there and they just get carried/let-be/passed-out for a quiet life for all concerned all the way up to the MOD. Can anyone comment?
 
#15
The French are definitely trying to expand the military "world role" of their forces. They have realised that the UK get terrific credibilty and respect from our activities and they want some of that action. Apparently they will have all their promised NTO staff actually in post by August this year.
 
#16
France has had "world activities" for centuries and it is not trying to follow one example or another.

Here is the current list of on-going ops

http://www.defense.gouv.fr/ema/cont...e des opérations extérieures - mai 2009.pdf

The UAE don't want to put all their eggs in the same basket and this base (that the UAE is paying for) is one way of achieving this for a minimum investment while France gets a live "showroom" in the heart of the richest arms market in the world.

Expect all the newest French-produced weapons to be on display on this base from day one...
 
#17
fantassin said:
France has had "world activities" for centuries and it is not trying to follow one example or another.

Here is the current list of on-going ops

http://www.defense.gouv.fr/ema/cont...e des opérations extérieures - mai 2009.pdf

The UAE don't want to put all their eggs in the same basket and this base (that the UAE is paying for) is one way of achieving this for a minimum investment while France gets a live "showroom" in the heart of the richest arms market in the world.

Expect all the newest French-produced weapons to be on display on this base from day one...
and you have no agenda here do you?
 
#18
Outstanding said:
fantassin said:
France has had "world activities" for centuries and it is not trying to follow one example or another.

Here is the current list of on-going ops

http://www.defense.gouv.fr/ema/cont...e des opérations extérieures - mai 2009.pdf

The UAE don't want to put all their eggs in the same basket and this base (that the UAE is paying for) is one way of achieving this for a minimum investment while France gets a live "showroom" in the heart of the richest arms market in the world.

Expect all the newest French-produced weapons to be on display on this base from day one...
and you have no agenda here do you?
what fantassin said and having another agenda are hardly mutually exclusive.
 
#20
I well remember during the days of the TOS, their radio operators who were aged about 14 or 15 being unable to speak a word of English but didn't haveto as they were able to take morse with pencil and paper at 30wpm. Knocked most Royal Signals OP's into a cocked hat.
 

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