So now we are not patriotic!

#1
On the BBC news website:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4206955.stm

The question to be asked in the referendum on the EU Constitution has been unveiled by the government.
It will be: "Should the United Kingdom approve the treaty establishing a constitution for the European Union?"

The bill to incorporate the treaty into UK law, subject to a yes vote, will be published later on Wednesday.

Critics say the constitution is a further step towards a federal Europe, but advocates say it ensures effective operation of the enlarged 25-state EU.

"If we reject this treaty, Britain will be isolated and weak in Europe," said Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, who will back a "yes" vote.

Patriots by definition wanted the UK to be prosperous at home and strong and influential abroad, Mr Straw said.

"Our role as a leading member of the EU is a crucial part of securing that."

'Extremely unpopular'

A spokesman for the Conservatives said signing up to the EU constitution would mean giving more power to Brussels.

"That is bad for jobs and bad for prosperity in Britain," she added.

Vote No, which campaigns against the EU constitution, accused ministers of trying to "sneak out" the bill that will allow a vote on the issue.

Campaign Director Neil O'Brien said: "The reality is that the government doesn't want to discuss the EU constitution ahead of the election because they know it is extremely unpopular with voters and with business."

Tony Blair signed the constitution at a ceremony in Rome in November, but had already made it clear the issue would be put to voters in a referendum.

British vision

That promise came after sustained pressure from opposition parties, including the Tories, who opposed the constitution, and the Lib Dems, who are in favour.

Mr Straw said Britain's influence in the world was enhanced by its place at the heart of the EU.

And he argued the constitution reflected a "British vision for Europe" and gave "national governments a stronger grip".

He said: "Agreed by 25 freely co-operating, independent nations, the constitution fixes the EU's power, while making it a more flexible and more efficient organisation.

"If we reject this treaty, Britain will be isolated and weak in Europe - going cap in hand to our partners and may be forced, in time, to accept some kind of second status in Europe as others go ahead without us."

To accept the treaty, the foreign secretary continued, would be to "fix the framework for our kind of Europe" allowing Britain to be more prosperous and more powerful.

Isolating the UK would be every patriot's "nightmare", he added, accusing opponents of "wrapping themselves in the union flag in order to paint Europe as a threat to Britain's national sovereignty".
So now we're un-patriotic if we don't want to be ruled by the un-elected dictatorship that is the EU. Welcome to the new version of Pravda in the Socialist Republic of Britian, part of the Union of the European Socialist Republics (would be UESR, but will be rearranged to the French spelling anyway).

The word T*sser springs to mind! What the EU constitution really means is the elimination of our legal system including Habeus Corpus (this means that we get detention without trial - which given the fuss about the Belmarsh detainees , I thought was supposed to be a BAD thing!), the elimination of our seat on the UN Security Council (despite our influence with the Commonwealth as well as Europe), further erosion of our laws and our abilities to control them (Acquis Communautaire), eventual elimination of the pound and acceptance of the Euro with the corresponding loss of our ability to control our economy (despite the independence of the Bank of England being one of the better decisions of this Government).
 
#2
I tought this day was going to be quite easy going and mellow.... then I read this... these fcukers in Labour are scum as we all know, but this is the democraticlly elected government. While I abhore facsism, every now and then I seriously find myself questioning the whole democratic system. The apathy is so strong in this country that the population either do not care or are not aware of what these scum are doing.

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Outburst of rage over
 
#3
In a way Vonshot, it is Hitler's legacy sixty years on. The whole EU thing started with two main aims, both very laudible. Firstly and obviously, to unite Europe to make another war less likely, and secondly, to ensure enough food for the populations in a continent that had been ravaged by conflict. The generation that created the EU had seen starvation at first hand and vowed that it would never happen again. The CAP was the engine that drove the Common Market in it's early years, but it eventually created the infamous butter mountains and wine lakes of tabloid fame.

By this time France and Germany had tasted the cherry and weren't going to let go, especially after Britain got sucked in and started footing the bills. Thirty years later, with tiny, incremental losses to our sovereignty on an almost daily basis, and no credible political party mooting withdrawal, we are stuffed. It is going to take a government flatly refusing outright to follow the rules before things are going to change in our favour.

Howard has said he will do this over immigration, but that is probably only because even he didn't realise how much power had crossed the channel.
 
#4
Two big 'if's about it though - If he gets elected and if he sticks to his guns and tells Europe to ram it.
 
#5
I'm afraid Mr. Howard is going to be in opposition for a wile yet, if not the leader of a third party.

Do any of you genuinely see anyone except Labour winning the General Election?
 
#6
Awol said:
In a way Vonshot, it is Hitler's legacy sixty years on. The whole EU thing started with two main aims, both very laudible. Firstly and obviously, to unite Europe to make another war less likely, and secondly, to ensure enough food for the populations in a continent that had been ravaged by conflict. The generation that created the EU had seen starvation at first hand and vowed that it would never happen again. The CAP was the engine that drove the Common Market in it's early years, but it eventually created the infamous butter mountains and wine lakes of tabloid fame.

By this time France and Germany had tasted the cherry and weren't going to let go, especially after Britain got sucked in and started footing the bills. Thirty years later, with tiny, incremental losses to our sovereignty on an almost daily basis, and no credible political party mooting withdrawal, we are stuffed. It is going to take a government flatly refusing outright to follow the rules before things are going to change in our favour.

Howard has said he will do this over immigration, but that is probably only because even he didn't realise how much power had crossed the channel.
Sold down the river springs to mind :evil:
 
#7
Read the 'Loyalty to the Queen' thread on the board at the moment - it links nicely to this one.
 
#8
This is one of those issues where the goals are not only badly defined, they've been moved off the playing field. Jack Straw: "Patriots by definition wanted the UK to be prosperous at home and strong and influential abroad"

If that's his definition I want no part of it. It's the definition of a greasy unprincipled politician who dreams of statues to himself, hand on lapel, tilted jaw etc etc. Fcuk 'im and all like 'im.

(Mine would be more along the lines of "... want the UK to be prosperous, respected, libertarian and free."
 
#10
Biscuits_Brown said:
I'm afraid Mr. Howard is going to be in opposition for a wile yet, if not the leader of a third party.

Do any of you genuinely see anyone except Labour winning the General Election?
Yes! the Tories, and the sooner everyone stops f*cking moaning about, "oh neue arbeit are sure to win", the better!

let me put it this way, with everyone p*ssed off with B*Liar on Hunting, taxes, Iraq, taxes, EU, immigration, crime rates out of control, education and NHS, how can he win?
 
#11
Plastic Yank said:
Biscuits_Brown said:
I'm afraid Mr. Howard is going to be in opposition for a wile yet, if not the leader of a third party.

Do any of you genuinely see anyone except Labour winning the General Election?
Yes! the Tories, and the sooner everyone stops f*cking moaning about, "oh neue arbeit are sure to win", the better!

let me put it this way, with everyone p*ssed off with B*Liar on Hunting, taxes, Iraq, taxes, EU, immigration, crime rates out of control, education and NHS, how can he win?
because the majority of the British electorate are apathetic plebs with the memories of goldfish
 
#14
come_to_arrest_the_zulus said:
Plastic Yank said:
Biscuits_Brown said:
I'm afraid Mr. Howard is going to be in opposition for a wile yet, if not the leader of a third party.

Do any of you genuinely see anyone except Labour winning the General Election?
Yes! the Tories, and the sooner everyone stops f*cking moaning about, "oh neue arbeit are sure to win", the better!

let me put it this way, with everyone p*ssed off with B*Liar on Hunting, taxes, Iraq, taxes, EU, immigration, crime rates out of control, education and NHS, how can he win?
because the majority of the British electorate are apathetic plebs with the memories of goldfish
I remember Poll tax, that bitch, tory Sleeze, Tories....Sh1t em
 
#15
Cpl_ripper said:
I remember Poll tax, that bitch, tory Sleeze, Tories....Sh1t em
Certainly know where you stand!

shall refrain from participating in "your party is more sh*t then mine", cause it would be way too easy!
 
#16
Plastic Yank said:
Cpl_ripper said:
I remember Poll tax, that bitch, tory Sleeze, Tories....Sh1t em
Certainly know where you stand!

shall refrain from participating in "your party is more sh*t then mine", cause it would be way too easy!
Indeed, whos party is in power? Not yours :lol:
 

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#17
Cpl Ripper -

I indeed remember the Tories in power last time - in fact I joined when Labour were last in - and, beleive me, the current lot are the worst we've ever had since at least the early '70s.

I have no faith at all that the Tories would be any better - as, almost without exception, ALL politicians are self-seeking scrotes, but they certainly couldn't be any worse.

I'm glad you're happy that your party is in power - just keep doing what the Scum, the Graundian and that nice 'strine Murdoch tell you, and they'll be in for years yet :roll:
 

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#18
Cpl_ripper said:
Indeed, whos party is in power? Not yours :lol:
Ok, ok. We understand.

The Labour Party were indeed very adept at pulling the wool over the eyes of those few that voted last time.
 

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#19
For the little greaser who tried to give away Gibralter to suggest that he knows anything about patriotism is sickening. This is the turd who cuddled up to Mugabe when he thought the press were not watching.

Even blind Pugh described useless.

I cannot understand this headlong rush to sign up for Festung Europa, I've yet to hear a sensible reason why its in our interest. The most convincing one would be that it limits the power of our own Government. Unfortunately when you consider what it replaces them with thats not a convincing arguament at all. 'Cuase lets face it however corrupt and incompetant New Labour is it doesn't hold a candle to Euro pol.
 
#20
I could rant for hours about these bunch of t@ssers but you have all beat me to it :twisted:

In simple terms who is ever in office, vote a resounding NO!

However, New Labour will ignore that, pour more tax payers money into a yes campaign and have another one 3 years later when we are suitably brain washed :evil:
 

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