So now we are not patriotic!

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by MikeMcc, Jan 26, 2005.

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  1. On the BBC news website:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4206955.stm

    So now we're un-patriotic if we don't want to be ruled by the un-elected dictatorship that is the EU. Welcome to the new version of Pravda in the Socialist Republic of Britian, part of the Union of the European Socialist Republics (would be UESR, but will be rearranged to the French spelling anyway).

    The word T*sser springs to mind! What the EU constitution really means is the elimination of our legal system including Habeus Corpus (this means that we get detention without trial - which given the fuss about the Belmarsh detainees , I thought was supposed to be a BAD thing!), the elimination of our seat on the UN Security Council (despite our influence with the Commonwealth as well as Europe), further erosion of our laws and our abilities to control them (Acquis Communautaire), eventual elimination of the pound and acceptance of the Euro with the corresponding loss of our ability to control our economy (despite the independence of the Bank of England being one of the better decisions of this Government).
     
  2. I tought this day was going to be quite easy going and mellow.... then I read this... these fcukers in Labour are scum as we all know, but this is the democraticlly elected government. While I abhore facsism, every now and then I seriously find myself questioning the whole democratic system. The apathy is so strong in this country that the population either do not care or are not aware of what these scum are doing.

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    Outburst of rage over
     
  3. In a way Vonshot, it is Hitler's legacy sixty years on. The whole EU thing started with two main aims, both very laudible. Firstly and obviously, to unite Europe to make another war less likely, and secondly, to ensure enough food for the populations in a continent that had been ravaged by conflict. The generation that created the EU had seen starvation at first hand and vowed that it would never happen again. The CAP was the engine that drove the Common Market in it's early years, but it eventually created the infamous butter mountains and wine lakes of tabloid fame.

    By this time France and Germany had tasted the cherry and weren't going to let go, especially after Britain got sucked in and started footing the bills. Thirty years later, with tiny, incremental losses to our sovereignty on an almost daily basis, and no credible political party mooting withdrawal, we are stuffed. It is going to take a government flatly refusing outright to follow the rules before things are going to change in our favour.

    Howard has said he will do this over immigration, but that is probably only because even he didn't realise how much power had crossed the channel.
     
  4. Two big 'if's about it though - If he gets elected and if he sticks to his guns and tells Europe to ram it.
     
  5. I'm afraid Mr. Howard is going to be in opposition for a wile yet, if not the leader of a third party.

    Do any of you genuinely see anyone except Labour winning the General Election?
     
  6. Sold down the river springs to mind :evil:
     
  7. Read the 'Loyalty to the Queen' thread on the board at the moment - it links nicely to this one.
     
  8. This is one of those issues where the goals are not only badly defined, they've been moved off the playing field. Jack Straw: "Patriots by definition wanted the UK to be prosperous at home and strong and influential abroad"

    If that's his definition I want no part of it. It's the definition of a greasy unprincipled politician who dreams of statues to himself, hand on lapel, tilted jaw etc etc. Fcuk 'im and all like 'im.

    (Mine would be more along the lines of "... want the UK to be prosperous, respected, libertarian and free."
     
  9. 2 years and counting until I move stateside :evil:
     
  10. Yes! the Tories, and the sooner everyone stops f*cking moaning about, "oh neue arbeit are sure to win", the better!

    let me put it this way, with everyone p*ssed off with B*Liar on Hunting, taxes, Iraq, taxes, EU, immigration, crime rates out of control, education and NHS, how can he win?
     
  11. because the majority of the British electorate are apathetic plebs with the memories of goldfish
     
  12. come_to_arrest_the_zulus wrote:
    You think it is better the otherside of the Pond :?: :!: 8O
     
  13. not really, but at least that way I wont have a ringside seat of our country being taken apart
     
  14. I remember Poll tax, that bitch, tory Sleeze, Tories....Sh1t em
     
  15. Certainly know where you stand!

    shall refrain from participating in "your party is more sh*t then mine", cause it would be way too easy!