So...erm...whats all this about Libya?

#1
I was reading a bit about the Lockerbie air disaster, and Namibia appears in a couple of articles. Anyone know what relations between Namibia and Libya are like?

The thing that made me curious was that on board the aircraft was a Namibian dignitary en route to sign an agreement which would bring about the end of Cuban influence in his country. Fidel is a communist nutter, Gadaffi is a communist nutter. Conicidence?

The other thing I was hoping someone a little wiser than me could perhaps illuminate is the potential link between Gadaffi being given back his secret agent and the thawing of relations between Libya's National Oil Company and BP. Is it a simple case of "Give me back my operative or you can't play with my train set any more" or are the two thought to be unrelated?
 
#2
All change. We are now best pals with Libya because of the oil and them ditching WMD. Plus the so called bomber was fitted up by the CIA and his mucker got not guilty anyway. Best get rid before his appeal exposed it. Prince Andrew has met Gaddafi's son and invited him to Windsor on a number of occasions. Coincidence of course.
 
#3
You clearly forgot that his Holiness Tony Blair kissed and made up with Ghadaffi just before handing over the reigns to Big Gordo. The mad Colonel also made significant donations of money and arms to the Provisional IRA which in New Labour's book makes him a "good terrorist".

The Lord Protector, Deputy Leader and Man of the People, Peter Mandelson also supped with the Ghadaffi family on a yacht recently which probably has more influence on events than any meeting with the Duke of York.

As to the oil issue - too late the French have blagged it all in exchange for nuclear power stations. "Merci Presidente" as they say in Tripoli.
 
#5
There is quite a compelling school of thought which has it yer man was fitted up and the actual culprits may be from elsewhere, might even have been proxies for another elsewhere. To be fair to Libya, which is not a phrase I'd ever have imagined myself typing.
 
#7
The magazine Private Eye has been arguing against the Libyan involvement for years. They think that it was a contract job by the Syrian based Abu Nidal network paid for by the Iranians in revenge for the US Navy shooting down one of their airliners.

Personally, I don't know if that is right, but they do point out some pretty serious flaws in the prosecution case, so even if the Syrian/Iranian link is not proved, the guilt of the Libyans is suspect.

It could very well be that in terms of realpolitik, it was better for the Libyans to admit liability just to assist their attempts to come in from the cold (and hand over all the WMDs they had developed without anyone noticing.)
 
#8
Breaking News: the rag-head has just been released by our so-called Justice Minister. :roll:

I could'nt care less that he's dying of cancer - he was a Lybian spook, so he's guilty of SOMETHING - but I have real doubts he planted the bomb.

I sincerely doubt there will ever be real justice for those who died at Lockerbie. :evil:
 
#9
Dont tell me - we have to pay his fukkin flight home too?
 
#10
HectortheInspector said:
The magazine Private Eye has been arguing against the Libyan involvement for years. They think that it was a contract job by the Syrian based Abu Nidal network paid for by the Iranians in revenge for the US Navy shooting down one of their airliners.

Personally, I don't know if that is right, but they do point out some pretty serious flaws in the prosecution case, so even if the Syrian/Iranian link is not proved, the guilt of the Libyans is suspect.

It could very well be that in terms of realpolitik, it was better for the Libyans to admit liability just to assist their attempts to come in from the cold (and hand over all the WMDs they had developed without anyone noticing.)
It was a favourite theory of the much missed Paul Foot. And it's resurfaced again this week. Here's a taster from The Times for tin foil hat fans...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article6797773.ece

American intelligence documents blaming Iran for the Lockerbie bombing would have been produced in court if the Libyan convicted of Britain’s worst terrorist attack had not dropped his appeal.

Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi, a former Libyan intelligence officer expected to be freed this week, had instructed his lawyers to produce internal US intelligence communications unavailable to his defence team at his trial in 2000.

The cables, from the American Defence Intelligence Agency (DIA), suggest that Iran was behind the attack on Pan Am flight 103, which killed 270 people in 1988, in response to the shooting down of an Iranian commercial airliner by the USS Vincennes, an American warship, five months earlier.

One document that the defence team had planned to produce was a memo from the DIA dated September 24, 1989. It states: “The bombing of the Pan Am flight was conceived, authorised and financed by Ali-Akbar (Mohtashemi-Pur), the former Iranian minister of interior.


I reckon this will run for a while now, if the decision to release our man goes ahead.

The Hamburg connection is well worth investigating.
 
#11
If the Septics can produce proof that Iran was behind Lockerbie, will there be pressure to take action against Iran? Or at least let the Israelie's of the leash...?
 
#15
Yup. Plus the septics have now got all the oil from saudi, iraq, and southern soviet states thru afg. libya puts us back in the ball game.
 
#16
Forget the oil, which has admittedly allowed Libya to move on a bit in their country, but the Libyans I've met were family focused people, making the best of their situation and just trying to get by like the rest of us.

The fact that they don't drink alcohol (officiially) really isn't a bad thing TBH. :D

Home brew is ready at light speed.... allegedly.
 
#17
Plus now that they're apparently not supporting foreign crazies getting good relations with a somewhat modern thinking, for the Middle Eastern country, and staunchly anti-Islamic extremist country would be a good thing for us wouldn't it? Plus they're sitting on shedloads of untapped oil so now we pretty much do what they say. :)
 
#18
Brick said:
Plus now that they're apparently not supporting foreign crazies getting good relations with a somewhat modern thinking, for the Middle Eastern country, and staunchly anti-Islamic extremist country would be a good thing for us wouldn't it? Plus they're sitting on shedloads of untapped oil so now we pretty much do what they say. :)
You're getting warm...
 
#20
And let us not forget the unintended beneficiary of this great humanitarian gesture: Ronnie Biggs.

Bit difficult to have him gasping his last in the chokey having been judged "a danger to society" for a few cheap headlines only to then let someone who a wholly impartial court in the Netherlands acting under Scottish law had tried and convicted as a terrorist mass murderer take a walk.

Oooh that would have caused some "logical difficulty"......
 

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