So Big Brother is watching us!

#1
interesting to hear on friday that the upper ech of the corps are not happy with some of the topics posted here. More of it i say. At least we get to see the views of the real people within the corps instead of having to sit at some poxy AMS road show listening to all the dribble before getting to air our veiws in public listened to by one member of the roadshow who manages to put that black mark against you for daring to speak up while the rest of the members are busy trying to remember what items of duty free they still have to buy before jet setting off home!

Up the Revolution thats what i say :lol:
 

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#2
As already posted- posters beware they don't like what we post on this board!

Use the PM method if required and we put the real info about!
 
#5
Well, Sirs and Ma'ams,

If you don't like what you read perhaps you could always try voicing your opinion on this forum......... As you will see from many of the posts we are always open to discussion.

Perhaps you don't know how to log on? Am sure one of the COs would be happy to explain how it works. Looking forward hearing your views. Don't be shy.

:wink:
 

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#6
Jezebel said:
Well, Sirs and Ma'ams,

If you don't like what you read perhaps you could always try voicing your opinion on this forum......... As you will see from many of the posts we are always open to discussion.

Perhaps you don't know how to log on? Am sure one of the COs would be happy to explain how it works. Looking forward hearing your views.

:wink:
Can't quite see the General logging on! Nice thought though!
 

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#10
Karabiner said:
I find some of the things said on this forum fascinating. As for the paranoia about roadshows, everyone has a chance for an interview and there is always time for questions, either put up or shut up.
The paranoia about the roadshows and MCM interviews are the years of the fall out from these carnivals. How many interviews ahve we heard of, when soldiers and officers turn up and the interviewing officer cannot comment as he'was in a rush and forgot the relevant files' or 'forgot the soldiers file as he wasn't aware he was interviewing said soldier.

Plus the roadshows on the WOQC for example, it was noted the MCM Col told the seated WO's and future WO's of the AMS the reason why the RAMC doesn't do well on Commissioning is because we didnt produce very good WO's. Plus they will never open any can of worms that everyone would like to discuss like MDHU affiliation or military training. Or the way ahead for CMT development which in my 23 years never got off a SO2's desk if it even got onto it.

Like the home page of ARR$E says the opinions of the posters are their own, and if you don't like what you read then don't read this site. Take every post with a pinch of salt and you won't go far wrong. Opinions are like ar$eholes we all have one!

And the comment about always times for questions- how many times has the presenting officer packed up his laptop and been out the door due a pressing engagement! Head, above and parapit comes to mind.
 

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#11
Karabiner said:
While on the subject of questions at roadshows, no black marks are awarded and never are by MCM. When will people get it into their heads that MCM are not the enemy, sitting whinging on this website will not cure anybody's career problems, MCM function on the basis of what they are told. Poor CRs, units failing to Part 2 order events and the expectation that desk officers are telepathic all conspire against effective career management. Try being constructive and looking beyond your own little world, there is more to the AMS than 1 unit or 1 individual, every decision is taken with the bigger picture available and in mind. And yes I do work at MCM Div.
Surely the individuals aspirations and ambitions should be acknowledged, again after 23 years I have seen the effect of MRO and then MCM, soldiers even doing leg work to exchange postings, same career situation but wishing to go to UK and BAOR on a cross posting. Obviously this didnt happen and I am sure your MCM party line will be "I cant comment on individual cases". Then you hear about soldiers who have their next two posting sorted- and they have.

Why cannot the Army have the same cross posting procedures as the Navy? Also why doesnt the Army have a SNCO/ WO on the help desks (as the Navy does) for soldiers to ring and speak to on postings and get career advice. Obviously as the Adjt/ CO is the only person in an AMS unit allowed to call MCM. Becuase you wouldn't catch soldiers doing that.......

In respect to CR's, educate officers who will do part one and part two, as a good CR from one officer isn't as good as CR from another. Also the perception on the actual board differs. You ask any AMS soldier, and they will tell you, you can probably get a better CR from a CMP than a CSMR CO, also the qualification badges you wear will have a bearing how good your CR is depending on where you are.
 

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#15
Karabiner said:
Interestingly when Nersey posted a reply to the sticky on freedom of speech it was deleted within days, where is the freedom there?
I deleted the post, as I had failed to lock the announcement.
 

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#16
Karabiner said:
Sorry QMan, forgot to comment on the WO in MCM Div, we are constrained as every unit is by our establihment, it has taken a long time to get any increase in staff and a WO slot is not on the horizon. Desk officers will accept phone calls, as will their AOs. The question will always be asked though 'What have you done so far and have you checked out your query with your chain of command'
In the Navy the sailor is encouraged to contact his branch desk as the first port of call will be the CPO or WO who has first knowledge of what the problem may be or the desires of the sailor. i.e. Before troubling the busy desk Officer with what to him will be trivia. 90% of problems are therefore dealt with at CPO/ WO level and the coal-face sailor is kept reasonably happy.
 
#17
Karabiner

Thanks for the views.

I'd like to make some observations about CRs that you may not like...........

Firstly- Teaching CR-writing on a course is one thing, actually writing them up for real is another. I was given a few cursory lessons in a classroom (RMAS-Vicars and Tarts/EOC) and never had to write a CR until 4 years later. By then I was Acting-OC of a sqn and was presented with the whole scale of ranks to write up. Fortunately I was able to take advice (and I did, lots) and hopefully they were all of an appropriate standard.

It is not unusual in a Corps full of PQOs (RAMC/QARANC/Dental)for relatively inexperienced, but seniorish ranking officers to write CRs. With the best will in the world they will not have the experience gained by those Officers that work up from being subbies with sections/troops etc etc to work with.

Secondly - I have learned more about CR writing from actual visits to MCM Div. From my own experience it would seem that the goalposts keep moving, omissions are as damning as inclusions. On each visit I have made I have been advised that certain things were not included in my previous report. I hadn't spotted this because I was not aware of the importance. In each subsequent report I have had the missing gaps filled in, but again it is not enough...... something else (not mentioned before) hasnt been included........

Now, I dont consider myself particularly illiterate or particularly dim. Nor it would seem do my reporting Officers. Nonetheless my CRs are always lacking something, a previously unknown quantity, a key word or a magical sentence. If I can't spot it on my own reports how can I be expected to get it right for the soldiers?! (As I said, I have to take advice) I also have the opportunity to discuss these things with MCM Div directly..........

Not entirely certain what the solution is, but I can understand the perception that some reports are more favourable than others, and that this is sometimes based on the authors previous CR writing experience.

Excuse me while I jump off my soapbox........... :D
 

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#18
Excellent and honest post.

The quoted- "bit of magic" in the CR is what will get a soldier promoted. Also as stated that one line of veiled vitriol will damn a CR to file 13. Of which some reporting officers are very good at writing, knowing full well the soldier will have very little chance of getting a weak A or B reworded or even redressed. Seen at Troop level several times.

Like one of the posts already said, if bootie is required to be licked then don't hold back- it will pay dividends in the new year. (Aye NQ?)
 
#19
if bootie is required to be licked then don't hold back- it will pay dividends in the new year. (Aye NQ?)
You be the Bootie Licking Expert ?

Dont bring me into this one as my promotion board sits in about 4 weeks and I havent even seen my CR !!!!

what does that say about little old me ?

Not getting promoted so dont need a CR !

or

So good everyone knows he should get it !

NO what it says is that a lot (not all) of Officers are currently so involved in their own self importance that they fail to show even the slightest interest in the soldiers well being. This I am sorry to say is a fact of the current AMS society. I have seen first hand many cases of officers not giving a squat as to whether Pte Fu**dusts CR is ready on time. More concerned about the upcoming DG visit or if the Roadshow has everything it needs for its duty free trip !

WO's upwards should be forced to take a good long look in the mirror at what they have become ! self centered, amatuer managers. Not the leaders that they believe themselves to be ?

Getting off my soapbox right now and I am not going to post again until QMan openly admits to vomiting in our corrimec and causing a foul smell for weeks !!!!!!!!!! :evil: :roll: :evil: :roll: :evil: :roll: :evil: :roll:
 

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