SNP a threat to the Union?

#1
As we have seen the Scottish Nationalists now have an overall majority in the Scottish Parliament, in spite of the best efforts of the people who set up the Proportional electoral system in that country.

Now that they have a mandate for a referendum on Independence, which they intend to hold near the end of their parliament, should they be allowed to hold it on such a massive constitutional matter considering the recent AV election's outcome was influenced, mainly, by a massive smear campaign. Can we trust the future of the Union to a general public who are so easily swayed by cheap political tactics?
 

the_boy_syrup

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#2
Let them have independance
Remove the right of Scottish MP's to sit and vote at Westminster
Remove the subsides and let them have their North Sea Oil cash
They'll be back when they're on their knees
Only two people genuinly want independance Salmon and Sir Sean Connery and he's in the Bahamas 11 months of the year
The rest are only voting for them because he's promising everything for free
 
#3
I'm a Jock and proud of it, but these a**holes who want Independence are dreamers. Scotland is a an agroeconomic country that relies on tourism, call centres and the production of Whisky we're not exactly awash in cash. Just look at the %age of workers in the Public Sector who actually produce nothing. All those people shouting "It's our oil" etc. still live in a world of Skye terriers, shortbread tins, bagpipes and other made up romantic shoite. I went home a month back and was disgusted by the pasty faced, skiiving scum even in the middle of Edinburgh.

Yes, Scotland has lots to offer, but English baiting isn't a good move. Dear Mr. Salmond 1) Wake up to reality and 2) get some plastic surgery you ugly cnut.

Long may the Union and our differences and common strengths continue.

NURSE!!!

P.S. No doubt I'll get hell from the Auld Yin, but I can still claim I'm just out of hospital!
 

rampant

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#4
Do they? They can hold a referendum, but I don't really rate their chances of gaining enough support for full on independence.*

May I refer the Honourable Gentleman to the "Holyrood Elections" Thread, where we have already commented on the subject, it may allow you to articlulate more clearly the issues surrounding the call for independence.

* Bloody knew this question would crop up sooner or later following the election.
 
#5
I'd love to think that if the sweaties got their independence we'd just cut them loose and wait for them to come crawling back when their Soviet economy goes tits up. Sadly I reckon the Barnett formula would just be replaced with massive 'International Aid' to independent Scotland so we'd still be propping them up long into the future.
 
#6
With the steady progression to an EU federal state, the Union is finished anyway.

In the unforseeable case that a change of the political class results in UK leaving the EU, then Scotland is too strategically important to have as an EU border (not to say the loss of territorial waters surrounding the UK) and so devolution will have to be unwound.
 

Auld-Yin

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#7
NURSE!!!

P.S. No doubt I'll get hell from the Auld Yin, but I can still claim I'm just out of hospital!
Not at all mate.

As Rampant has pointed out this is being discussed on other threads. Scotland yesterday voted for the SNP to be the major, and as it turned out, ruling party in Scotland because they thought that Salmond has done well for Scotland and that SNP are a much better bet than Labour.

If a referendum for independence was held now then I doubt if it would be a FOR decision - many voted SNP, not that many want full independence. Now federalism within a United Lingdom - that is a different matter :)
 
#8
Just looking at the gloom and doom thats happening in Moray because Kinloss is closing and no-one knows whats happening to Lossiemouth, I'd dread to think what would happen in Scotland went for independence.
Unfortunately though, there are still too many mongs in this country that believe Braveheart was true and William Wallace did actually look like Mel Gibson.
 
#9
Let them have independance
Remove the right of Scottish MP's to sit and vote at Westminster
Remove the subsides and let them have their North Sea Oil cash
They'll be back when they're on their knees
Only two people genuinly want independance Salmon and Sir Sean Connery and he's in the Bahamas 11 months of the year
The rest are only voting for them because he's promising everything for free
Don't forget the bill for bailing out the Scottish Banks, which Alex Salmond worked in before becoming a politician.
 
#12
Just looking at the gloom and doom thats happening in Moray because Kinloss is closing and no-one knows whats happening to Lossiemouth, I'd dread to think what would happen in Scotland went for independence.
Unfortunately though, there are still too many mongs in this country that believe Braveheart was true and William Wallace did actually look like Mel Gibson.
The truth:


The fiction:


Just reminds me of what really happened on his death:[video=youtube;jWFq-v7TKdQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWFq-v7TKdQ&feature=related[/video]
 

the_boy_syrup

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#13
I read somewhere that the banks had recently paid more in tax (bonuses etc) than the whole of Scotland put together
Anyone any info on this? (I'm in work so limited to what I can search)
 
#16
Given that the SNPs election manifesto was economic lunancy, primarily funded by English taxpayers, I suspect that any move to independence will come as a real shock. Scotland is enjoying enormous subsidies from the rest of the UK, and while it may cope economically with independence, I suspect the loss of quality of life, funding and general tax/price rises will come as a real shock to most scots - many of whom may move south.

Personally I'm all for independence - lower taxes for England, and it will kill off the chances of any future labour government ruining this country again.
 
#18
ASNP a threat to the Union?
I f**king hope so!

The natives of Jockinistan have been sucking off the English teat for 300 years now and it's about time they started paying their own way in the world.




Given that the SNPs election manifesto was economic lunancy, primarily funded by English taxpayers, I suspect that any move to independence will come as a real shock. Scotland is enjoying enormous subsidies from the rest of the UK, and while it may cope economically with independence, I suspect the loss of quality of life, funding and general tax/price rises will come as a real shock to most scots - many of whom may move south.

Personally I'm all for independence - lower taxes for England, and it will kill off the chances of any future labour government ruining this country again.

I propose a massive public works campaign that will boost the economy of England and bring work to many thousands in the north who are unemployed.

We rebuild Hadrians Wall.



Scotland is a failed State country that relies on English welfare money and has done ever since it was bailed out after the Darien Expedition
Edited for accuracy
 
#20
Fancy this thread turning into "Lets have a pop at Scotland!". You may want to look closer to home for the shit state the UK has become, because after all, England is the land of milk and honey where everyone works hard for a living and contributes greatly to the well being of the UK isnt it? :roll:
 

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