Sniper ammunition

#1
After reading the article in the Daily Express this morning about the British sniper who took out 2 taliban with one shot (Good lad !!!). Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | UK News :: A single bullet from a British marksman and two Taliban fall dead

The question was raised about the colour coding of the 7.62 round used by snipers. Is it true that the round has a blue band around the projectile or casing to show its high quality or such like?

Can anyone, in the know, please enlighten us? We would be eternally grateful :)
 
#2
I really would hope not, blue indicates either practice or drill (deep Saxe blue).

Higher quality rounds are historically denoted by a spot on the internal packaging. So far this has been black or green spot ammunition and is often referred to as such.
 
#3
That raises the question just how much better is the green dot? I can remember using the 7.62 green dot at Bisley decades ago, whether it was any better was difficult if not impossible to determine.

PS Dingerr your signature is interesting!
 
#5
No longer 7.62mm for Snipers in theatre. 8.59mm is the in service ammunition, no codings or markings on it.

Green Spot is very old school and is only really referred to by the old and the bold. Ammunition now comes specifically designed and manafactured for Sniper Weapons. It's all in the grain you see...
 
#6
The first hundred or so rounds of each batch made are designated green spot/sniper ammunition.
I remember someone telling me it was actually the batch that came off after the tool had made an initial quantity after the first couple of hundred or so, it had bedded in so was working to its optimum tolerance.

However it could be complete horse poop.
 

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#7
I remember someone telling me it was actually the batch that came off after the tool had made an initial quantity after the first couple of hundred or so, it had bedded in so was working to its optimum tolerance.

However it could be complete horse poop.
No that's quit true, or it was in the days of the ROF they also used a slightly different propellant in some batches
 
#8
I remember someone telling me it was actually the batch that came off after the tool had made an initial quantity after the first couple of hundred or so, it had bedded in so was working to its optimum tolerance.

However it could be complete horse poop.
It is. I am not sure about the Sharpshooter ammo, but Sniper ammo is specifically manafactured for that role.
 
#9
I remember someone telling me it was actually the batch that came off after the tool had made an initial quantity after the first couple of hundred or so, it had bedded in so was working to its optimum tolerance.

However it could be complete horse poop.
Thats the story, but there was clearly a wide variation in RG quality output across the years and batches. I shoot a lot of RG 7.62mm in optimised rifles (heavy barrel Enfields), and it is clear that some batch dates are far better than others, whether they are green spot/ black spot or normal ball. E.g. RG89 normal ball and ex-link seems to be just as good as boxed Green Spot "target ammunition" (as it was branded by RORG for a while), whereas RG90 normal ball out of cartons is very mediocre in performance.
 

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#10
Way back in the 60s my rifle club had a few members who worked in the local ROF they told me that there was a certain amount of competition between the different factories as to who made the better ammunition, and a lot of school of Infantry types could tell right off which factory ammunition was from by the batch numbers
 
#14
******* Biblical Times Walt.
F@ck off. I'm the fourth illegitimate son of Eve and the Devil, 66 is two thirds of the sign of the beast
 
#16
remeber having a neighbour who was quite a target rifle bore. told a story about how sussex police binned their enfields after losing badly to the met in a sniper match thing was Sussex police were using factory loads and the met had a tame handloader who really knew his stuff. Operationaly probably would'nt make that much of a difference andbe economically unfeasable but in a target match the diffrence was noticable.
mind you not sure the police actually shoot people with sniper rifles probably very un pc.
 
#17
No longer 7.62mm for Snipers in theatre. 8.59mm is the in service ammunition, no codings or markings on it.

Green Spot is very old school and is only really referred to by the old and the bold. Ammunition now comes specifically designed and manafactured for Sniper Weapons. It's all in the grain you see...
I thought it was the first lot off a new mould as it has no flaws compared to when the tooling is worn a bit?
 
#18
remeber having a neighbour who was quite a target rifle bore. told a story about how sussex police binned their enfields after losing badly to the met in a sniper match thing was Sussex police were using factory loads and the met had a tame handloader who really knew his stuff. Operationaly probably would'nt make that much of a difference andbe economically unfeasable but in a target match the diffrence was noticable.
mind you not sure the police actually shoot people with sniper rifles probably very un pc.
They certainly do although it is not at the ranges that a military Sniper would operate. Having met and worked with a few of the teams, they are very well equipped and their training is not too different to our own. In fact, the ones that I have seen tend to follow similar training programs for their Snipers. I would say they are probably better when operating within the urban environment and have to make considerations concerning post shot collateral damage more so than perhaps our Snipers would.
 
#20
The definition of Green/Black spot has changed over the years...

At one time, if a batch came out as particularly good at testing, is was designated "Green Spot" for target shooting or "Black spot" for sniping..

It then changed over the years to signify a "special" batch loaded for Bisley, made up in a single run from selected components.

When I visitied RG last year, this is how they were doing it.. a single press with an experienced operator produced the "spotted" ammunition.

However.. there are a number of types of 7.62 specially loaded for sniper use..

"Normal" 7.62 is either L2 or L44 which has a 9.33g boat tailed bullet. L46, which is only ever found in link, has a 9.32g bullet.

"Sniper" 7.62 is either L42 which has a 155gn (10g) bullet or L52 which has a 185gn (12g) bullet...

... there are others, but I doubt if you would come across them.... :)
 
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