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Smoking ban's impact five years on

#1
BBC News - Smoking ban's impact five years on

A review of the evidence on the impact of the law in England, was commissioned by the government and carried out by Prof Linda Bauld from the University of Stirling and the UK Centre for Tobacco Control Studies.

Prof Bauld's report concluded: "The law has had a significant impact."

"Results show benefits for health, changes in attitudes and behaviour and no clear adverse impact on the hospitality industry."
Apart of course from pubs closing left right and centre and every man and his dog staying home to drink these days.
 

TheresaMay

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DirtyBAT
#2
And not to mention how many streets are littered outside establishments now where people have dropped their dog ends. Walking into Ipswich now, you go past 'Little Europe', which is a bit like Belgrave Circle in Leicester, but Iraqi Kurds instead of Indians - and there's a series of cafes and shops - each and every one of them now covered out front in dog ends and clouds of smoke from the endless chuffing of Turkish cigs. See for them, the non-smoker is the minority - it's like a national pastime or something.

I don't smoke, but I was in favour of keeping things the way they were but toughening up on the rules a little. For example, having smoking rooms in pubs - which was pretty much the same way it always was - with the execption that these rooms would only be served if the member of staff was either a smoker themselves, or willing to work in that bar and signed a disclaimer as such.

Would have been a lot cheaper than making all these 'shacks' outside.
 
#3
UK Centre for Tobacco Control Studies
Sounds like a fairly unbiased lot! :)

I don't smoke, but I was in favour of keeping things the way they were but toughening up on the rules a little. For example, having smoking rooms in pubs - which was pretty much the same way it always was - with the execption that these rooms would only be served if the member of staff was either a smoker themselves, or willing to work in that bar and signed a disclaimer as such.
I thought a good idea would be to allow a pub to either have a licence to serve food or one to allow smoking. Of course with most activists you cannot reach a compromise, either everything goes their way or they throw a hissy fit.
 
#5
I was sat with my brother in a pub the other night discussing this very subject whilst visiting. Half of the pubs in the town where i grew up are now empty/boarded up or being used for other purposes.
I think the govt back then used a sledgehammer to crack a nut. Why could they not have just required pubs to have a designated smoking area, separate and with proper ventilation. ( i'm not a smoker but once was)
Coupled with changing social habits and cheap shop booze, it appeared to be a perfect storm for smaller local pubs.
 
#6
I don't think the smoking ban has causes pubs to shut at all. Expensive beer and shit hole establishments played a big part. Half the problem with your "local" type pub was that they where run by the old school landlord who still wanted to make loads of money for very little work. The biggest killer of pubs imo has been the installation of Whetherspoons types bars everywhere.
 
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trowel

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#8
Alternatively, why not smoking or non-smoking pubs? Let the punter choose where he/she wants to drink.
Spot on DMS. I am no longer a smoker, but I`d much rather be in a lively smoke filled boozer than one that stinks of toilets, rancid food, and BO.
 
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Kirkz

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#9
The decision as to whether to allow smoking on the premises should be down to the owner/landlord!
 

Legs

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#13
As an Ex-Smoker I really have no problem with being in a smoking pub. It's far more sociable than half the group getting up and standing outside for 10 minutes of every 30.
 
#14
I happen to be watching the Beeb this morning (i know sad) and there was an old trout from the "I have never Smoked and I want you to stop) party and she had the front to say all of this it to protect the kids. She wants a complete ban or smoking with kids in the car and next in the home. I have never smoked but grew up in the smoking generation, most pubs had the obligitory
old man sat in the corner smoking his pipe and getting his social kicks and being part of the community. Now he faces sitting at home alone or standing in the elements just to live his life.
There is no easy answer, are we going to go down the route of LA where you are not allowed to smoke outside only in the confines of you own home?
 
#16
There is no easy answer, are we going to go down the route of LA where you are not allowed to smoke outside only in the confines of you own home?[/QUOTE]

With the current political mindset and hysterical i am a victim, i have a right to be protected/outraged about anything i dislike/disagree with pressure groups, given publicity hugely disproportionate to their representative interests (think stonewall) Then i wouldn,t rule it out.
 
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trowel

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#17
I happen to be watching the Beeb this morning (i know sad) and there was an old trout from the "I have never Smoked and I want you to stop) party and she had the front to say all of this it to protect the kids. She wants a complete ban or smoking with kids in the car and next in the home. I have never smoked but grew up in the smoking generation, most pubs had the obligitory
old man sat in the corner smoking his pipe and getting his social kicks and being part of the community. Now he faces sitting at home alone or standing in the elements just to live his life.
There is no easy answer, are we going to go down the route of LA where you are not allowed to smoke outside only in the confines of you own home?
I may be wrong but didn`t California bin a lot of it`s anti smoking rules?
 

maguire

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#20
**shrugs**

the flipside for me as a non smoker is it's quite pleasant now to be able to sit in a pub now for an evening and get home not stinking of other peoples cigarettes. not everyone is a hysterical anti smoker, but the way you lot whinge about it gives me a warm glow of schadenfreude.

;)
 

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