Sleeves Rolled Up

#1
Now that CGS has directed a change in Dress Regs to allow rolled up sleeves, it is only a matter of time before tucked in shirts/jackets will follow.

Certain units have already pre-empted the tucked in aspect with stable belts returning to be the norm.
 
#4
I'm so glad CGS and so many others have so much spare time that they can occupy with this pressing matter. Perhaps they could look into the whole creases/no creases thing while they're at it.
 
#7
I'm so glad CGS and so many others have so much spare time that they can occupy with this pressing matter. Perhaps they could look into the whole creases/no creases thing while they're at it.

See what you did there, that really is a pressing matter.
 
#8
Yes!

Please someone cut and paste! I'm also on ops and this will make my tour!
 
#10
For those getting excited this isn't a change in policy. This is direction to change the policy - until that is changed PCS remains down and out.
 
#12
ARMY COMMAND INFORMATION NETWORK

CGS BRIEFING TEAM (CBT) MAIN THEMES AND HEADLINE ISSUES: DEC 12 – APR 13

1. Issue. This ACIN draws attention to the main themes and headline issues that were raised to CGS and ECAB (on 2 May 13) by the CGS Briefing Team over the collection period Dec 12 – Apr 13.

2. CGS direction. CGS directed immediate staff action should be focused on the following areas:

blah...

e. Uniform. Reinforcing the message that the backload of CS95 is underway and amend the dress regulations regarding PCS, allowing for sleeves to be rolled up in the summer. Action: FDT/AG.
 
#13
Please note it says "focused on"

This means they will discuss it not, roll your sleeves up you lovely boys

So we will have to wait a little longer till we turn a functional uniform into a scruffy archaic twattish item of clothing




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#15
Proof positive (if ever it was needed) that squaddies are the biggest bunch of moaning twats that exist on the planet! Sleeves ffs!
 
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#16
Please note it says "focused on"

This means they will discuss it not, roll your sleeves up you lovely boys

So we will have to wait a little longer till we turn a functional uniform into a scruffy archaic twattish item of clothing




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Now if they had only issued a shirt with it like C95 and junglies before it we would not have all this silly bickering, a shirt can be tucked in and rolled up a jacket cannot, it may be a combat uniform but guess what you are not in combat all the time! And as far as i cna see there is no alternative, so get the shirt issued and lets all just get along!
 
#17
Actually this is less about changing the policy than about correcting an error that occurred in the first place.

There was never any real reason why sleeves could not be rolled up on the PCS Lt Wt Jkt - as we have all seen, Royal has been managing it quite happily without his arms falling off (while he looks a scruffy bugger after 2 minutes with it tucked in!). Unfortunately CGS was poorly briefed by some who thought style was more important than function (they thought sleeves up looked a bit scruffy) and so he issued his direction on sleeves down. It has taken a lot of background briefing and data gathering from CGS's briefing team to get the matter raised back to his level again. Fortunately common sense prevailed!

For Bokkatankie: there are alternatives to the Lt Wt Jkt if you want them: there is Barrack Dress - new, comfortable and smart if you are in an office, or you could wear the green GS Shirt everyone is still issued with. People seemed to manage perfectly well with that in the past as working dress! Or you can wear covvies over a t-shirt instead if you are doing something mucky. Unfortunately people are wedded to an attitude of "it must be MTP". This causes a bit of a problem with the scrutiny people (who guard the taxpayer) who ask, quite correctly, "why should we pay twice as much for an MTP shirt that doesn't have a combat role when a green one would suffice?" Unfortunately the Chain of Command is so wedded to being in camouflage that they'd rather soldiers are uncomfortable in barracks, wearing something designed for the field, when there are alternatives available if required.
 
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#18
Actually this is less about changing the policy than about correcting an error that occurred in the first place.

There was never any real reason why sleeves could not be rolled up on the PCS Lt Wt Jkt - as we have all seen, Royal has been managing it quite happily without his arms falling off (while he looks a scruffy bugger after 2 minutes with it tucked in!). Unfortunately CGS was poorly briefed by some who thought style was more important than function (they thought sleeves up looked a bit scruffy) and so he issued his direction on sleeves down. It has taken a lot of background briefing and data gathering from CGS's briefing team to get the matter raised back to his level again. Fortunately common sense prevailed!

For Bokkatankie: there are alternatives to the Lt Wt Jkt if you want them: there is Barrack Dress - new, comfortable and smart if you are in an office, or you could wear the green GS Shirt everyone is still issued with. People seemed to manage perfectly well with that in the past as working dress! Or you can wear covvies over a t-shirt instead if you are doing something mucky. Unfortunately people are wedded to an attitude of "it must be MTP". This causes a bit of a problem with the scrutiny people (who guard the taxpayer) who ask, quite correctly, "why should we pay twice as much for an MTP shirt that doesn't have a combat role when a green one would suffice?" Unfortunately the Chain of Command is so wedded to being in camouflage that they'd rather soldiers are uncomfortable in barracks, wearing something designed for the field, when there are alternatives available if required.
So nothing has really changed, we rolled up sleeves on combat jackets, we wore shirts hairy with combat trousers. The one uniform that everyone liked was junglies, trousers and shirt, tucked and rolled up, you looked a bit of a twat in winter sleeves down thus you reverted to shirt green and jumper with combat trousers. It really is not a problem, you have MPT / PCS give them a shirt and job jobbed. No idea what the new barrack dress looks like but must be shite because no one ever appears to wear it! They prefer PCS / MPT cominations!
 
#20
Actually this is less about changing the policy than about correcting an error that occurred in the first place.

There was never any real reason why sleeves could not be rolled up on the PCS Lt Wt Jkt - as we have all seen, Royal has been managing it quite happily without his arms falling off (while he looks a scruffy bugger after 2 minutes with it tucked in!). Unfortunately CGS was poorly briefed by some who thought style was more important than function (they thought sleeves up looked a bit scruffy) and so he issued his direction on sleeves down. It has taken a lot of background briefing and data gathering from CGS's briefing team to get the matter raised back to his level again. Fortunately common sense prevailed!

For Bokkatankie: there are alternatives to the Lt Wt Jkt if you want them: there is Barrack Dress - new, comfortable and smart if you are in an office, or you could wear the green GS Shirt everyone is still issued with. People seemed to manage perfectly well with that in the past as working dress! Or you can wear covvies over a t-shirt instead if you are doing something mucky. Unfortunately people are wedded to an attitude of "it must be MTP". This causes a bit of a problem with the scrutiny people (who guard the taxpayer) who ask, quite correctly, "why should we pay twice as much for an MTP shirt that doesn't have a combat role when a green one would suffice?" Unfortunately the Chain of Command is so wedded to being in camouflage that they'd rather soldiers are uncomfortable in barracks, wearing something designed for the field, when there are alternatives available if required.
Are you saying barrack dress is more comfortable than PCS? Also, what are these green GS shirts everyone is still issued?

(We're still rocking jumpers HW during the winter! :) )
 

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