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By the looks of the weather forecasts (Bergfex,Snow-forecast and we.powder) there is a massive dump on the way. Mainly central and eastern Alps but two to two and a half meters worth. Great to get the base going. With such a good early start the pressure to open up as normal must be heating up. Which is ironic really!

Just discussing the 'third wave' and timing of it. I reckon the best time to ski is around 5th January as you will catch the skiing in between waves of doom
 
Austrian government making announcements tomorrow about ski season. Just had email from the hotel we are planning to stay at
 

Oyibo

LE
Snowing heavily again here in Haute-Savoie (French Alps).

As things stand in France, ski stations will not open until the 20th January. But that could change for better or for worse.

On the plus side, my local stations have extended the 'early-bird' season tickets (roughly half-price) for the whole season. Along with the season tickets one also gets freebie one-day tickets to other nearby resorts.

If anyone is looking for an extended post-Christmas trip it is well worth considering.
 
Snowing heavily again here in Haute-Savoie (French Alps).

As things stand in France, ski stations will not open until the 20th January. But that could change for better or for worse.

On the plus side, my local stations have extended the 'early-bird' season tickets (roughly half-price) for the whole season. Along with the season tickets one also gets freebie one-day tickets to other nearby resorts.

If anyone is looking for an extended post-Christmas trip it is well worth considering.

Still awaiting confirmation from Austria. Looks like they may cave into German pressure (I see a trend emerging here.......) and close over Crimbo but open in the new year
 

AUSTRIA ALLOWS SKIING AT XMAS, BUT ONLY JUST & NOT FOR MANY​

2ND DECEMBER 2020

LAST MODIFIED ON DECEMBER 3RD, 2020

Strict quarantine rules are set to be imposed making the slopes out-of-bounds to most foreign holiday skiers. Resorts can open on Xmas Eve for locals only as hotels remain shut. UPDATED





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“From December 24th, individual sports outdoors such as skiing will be possible again so that the Austrian population has the chance to engage in sporting activity over the holidays,” said the Austrian Chancellor, Sebastian Kurz.

He was speaking at a news conference announcing re-opening measures after the country’s second coronavirus lockdown ends on Sunday 6th December.

Hotels and accommodation providers in resorts will remain closed until January 7th.

Bars, restaurants, cafes and clubs will also remain closed until January 7th, however they may be allowed to reopen if infection rates allow.

It is some small good news for local skiers and snowboarders, but very bad news for the economy of the resorts themselves and the many local businesses.

Strict quarantine measures have also been introduced for international visitors and Austrians returning home from a trip abroad.

All those travellers who come to Austria from countries with more than 100 cases per 100,000 inhabitants over a 7-day period will need to quarantine for 10 days.

The current rate in the UK is 153.

In Germany, its largest foreign ski market, it stands at 148.

People arriving from neighbouring Switzerland (310) and Italy (281) would also have to quarantine.

Norway s
The measures will likely rule out people from Austria going over the border to ski in Switzerland where the resorts are expected to be open over Xmas and the New Year.

“We have to enforce a strict border regime,” said Chancellor Kurz.

He was joined at the news conference by the Minister of the Interior, Karl Nehammer.

“One goal is to stop people travelling abroad over the festive season.

“It is not acceptable for Austrians to travel to neighbouring countries to attend New Year parties,” he said.

Other measures include a nighttime curfew and limits on the number of people in social gatherings.

After 5-days in quarantine people will be able to have a test and if negative would be free to end their isolation.

“We we remain optimistic and hope that with all the news measures and regulations, we can still look forward to better times in January,” said a statement from the Tirol to PlanetSKI.

“Unfortunately this is not good for tourism ….this does not make it easy in this situation. But as a consequence, the infection rate should decrease, so that this can change again.

“Let’s hope that in this way, the numbers can decrease. Health and safety are simply the top priority”.

The Tirol, Austria

The Tirol, Austria
This week the Austrian Ski Association urged its government not to give in to mounting pressure from Germany, France and Italy to delay the start of the ski season.

The authorities in Vienna will have come under severe pressure from Germany in particular.

In response to a question from a German journalist Mr Kurz said “Germany and Italy were not taken into account in the decision to allow skiing – only in such a way that foreign ski tourists are practically unable to come”.

The Chancellor stressed that all measures, no matter how they are chosen, could be criticised.

A survey in Germany showed that the majority of citizens were in favour of closing European ski resorts.

Almost 74% of those questioned by the polling company, Civey, said it was either “obvious” or “preferable” to close the resorts to control the spread of the pandemic.

Last week when the EU pressure rose to close resorts Chancellor Kurz, said it was “not a matter in which the EU should interfere”.

All British skiers and snowboarders who have booked to go to Austria are advised to contact their travel agent.

“Oh no! Supposed to be flying to Innsbruck on 20th December, it was always doubtful,” was the reaction of one PlanetSKI reader as news emerged.

Austria is currently subject to travel warnings from Germany, the United Kingdom, Denmark, Netherlands, Belgium, Ireland, Finland and Norway.

There are various quarantine measures required for foreign nationals returning from Austria to their home country.

Austria has seen a sharp rise in cases, though the current lockdown has brought the numbers of people catching coronavirus down.

Austria goes into lockdown as covid-19 continues to surge

When the ski resorts open there will be strict Covid-19 precautions in place.

We have been following the discussions about whether ski resorts will be allowed to open closely on PlanetSKI.

Crucial Week Ahead for Ski Season Start in Europe

Kitzbuhel, Tirol, Austria

Kitzbuhel, Tirol, Austria

New Restrictions in Austria from Monday 7th December​

Borders – The classification of risk areas is based on the 14-day incidence of positive corona cases. People entering from a risk area must be quarantined for 10 days. A PCR test can be carried out after 5 days to end the quarantine if the test result is negative. There should be exceptions for commuters and business travelers.

Public Places – In public places, all people who do not live in the same household a minimum distance of 1 metre must be kept. When meeting in closed public spaces, keep a distance of one meter and wear mouth and nose protection.

Retail and services – Trade and services are open again. It is mandatory to wear mouth and nose protection. There is a limit of 10 m2 per customer for customer areas.

Gastronomy (including mountain restaurants) – Restaurants, bars, cafes remain closed. Pick-up is possible between 6:00 a.m. and 7:00 p.m. It is not permitted to dispense alcoholic beverages.
Delivery services will remain permitted without time restrictions.
From January 7th the catering can reopen with restrictions depending on the infection rate.

Hotels and accommodation providers – Hotels and accomodation providers stay closed. There are exceptions e.g. for business trips that cannot be postponed.
From January 7th, accommodation providers can reopen with restrictions depending on the infection rate..

Events – Events are prohibited (including cultural events, wedding celebrations, birthday parties and Christmas markets).
Information on possible easing restrictions should be announced in approx. 10-14 days.

Museums, libraries, galleries – Museums, galleries and libraries are open again. It is mandatory to wear mouth and nose protection. A restriction of 10 m2 per visitor applies to visitor areas.

Sport – All contact and team sports (soccer, etc.) are prohibited, indoor sports facilities are closed to amateur athletes. Outdoor sports venues can open from December 24th. Thus, individual outdoor sports (such as skiing, cross-country skiing, ice skating, …) are possible from the 24th of December, taking the appropriate hygiene rules into account.

Cable cars, lifts – Cable cars, gondolas and ascent aids may not be used for recreational purposes until December 23rd. From December 24th, cable cars, gondolas and lifts (in closed cabins with a capacity restriction of 50%) can also be used for leisure purposes. Wearing a face and nose mask is also mandatory in the waiting and boarding areas.

For the Spirit of the Mountains – PlanetSKI: Number One for ski news





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Pretty comprehensive report from planet ski.eu
 

AUSTRIA ALLOWS SKIING AT XMAS, BUT ONLY JUST & NOT FOR MANY​

2ND DECEMBER 2020

LAST MODIFIED ON DECEMBER 3RD, 2020

Strict quarantine rules are set to be imposed making the slopes out-of-bounds to most foreign holiday skiers. Resorts can open on Xmas Eve for locals only as hotels remain shut. UPDATED





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“From December 24th, individual sports outdoors such as skiing will be possible again so that the Austrian population has the chance to engage in sporting activity over the holidays,” said the Austrian Chancellor, Sebastian Kurz.

He was speaking at a news conference announcing re-opening measures after the country’s second coronavirus lockdown ends on Sunday 6th December.

Hotels and accommodation providers in resorts will remain closed until January 7th.

Bars, restaurants, cafes and clubs will also remain closed until January 7th, however they may be allowed to reopen if infection rates allow.

It is some small good news for local skiers and snowboarders, but very bad news for the economy of the resorts themselves and the many local businesses.

Strict quarantine measures have also been introduced for international visitors and Austrians returning home from a trip abroad.

All those travellers who come to Austria from countries with more than 100 cases per 100,000 inhabitants over a 7-day period will need to quarantine for 10 days.

The current rate in the UK is 153.

In Germany, its largest foreign ski market, it stands at 148.

People arriving from neighbouring Switzerland (310) and Italy (281) would also have to quarantine.

Norway s
The measures will likely rule out people from Austria going over the border to ski in Switzerland where the resorts are expected to be open over Xmas and the New Year.

“We have to enforce a strict border regime,” said Chancellor Kurz.

He was joined at the news conference by the Minister of the Interior, Karl Nehammer.

“One goal is to stop people travelling abroad over the festive season.

“It is not acceptable for Austrians to travel to neighbouring countries to attend New Year parties,” he said.

Other measures include a nighttime curfew and limits on the number of people in social gatherings.

After 5-days in quarantine people will be able to have a test and if negative would be free to end their isolation.

“We we remain optimistic and hope that with all the news measures and regulations, we can still look forward to better times in January,” said a statement from the Tirol to PlanetSKI.

“Unfortunately this is not good for tourism ….this does not make it easy in this situation. But as a consequence, the infection rate should decrease, so that this can change again.

“Let’s hope that in this way, the numbers can decrease. Health and safety are simply the top priority”.

The Tirol, Austria

The Tirol, Austria
This week the Austrian Ski Association urged its government not to give in to mounting pressure from Germany, France and Italy to delay the start of the ski season.

The authorities in Vienna will have come under severe pressure from Germany in particular.

In response to a question from a German journalist Mr Kurz said “Germany and Italy were not taken into account in the decision to allow skiing – only in such a way that foreign ski tourists are practically unable to come”.

The Chancellor stressed that all measures, no matter how they are chosen, could be criticised.

A survey in Germany showed that the majority of citizens were in favour of closing European ski resorts.

Almost 74% of those questioned by the polling company, Civey, said it was either “obvious” or “preferable” to close the resorts to control the spread of the pandemic.

Last week when the EU pressure rose to close resorts Chancellor Kurz, said it was “not a matter in which the EU should interfere”.

All British skiers and snowboarders who have booked to go to Austria are advised to contact their travel agent.

“Oh no! Supposed to be flying to Innsbruck on 20th December, it was always doubtful,” was the reaction of one PlanetSKI reader as news emerged.

Austria is currently subject to travel warnings from Germany, the United Kingdom, Denmark, Netherlands, Belgium, Ireland, Finland and Norway.

There are various quarantine measures required for foreign nationals returning from Austria to their home country.

Austria has seen a sharp rise in cases, though the current lockdown has brought the numbers of people catching coronavirus down.

Austria goes into lockdown as covid-19 continues to surge

When the ski resorts open there will be strict Covid-19 precautions in place.

We have been following the discussions about whether ski resorts will be allowed to open closely on PlanetSKI.

Crucial Week Ahead for Ski Season Start in Europe

Kitzbuhel, Tirol, Austria

Kitzbuhel, Tirol, Austria

New Restrictions in Austria from Monday 7th December​

Borders – The classification of risk areas is based on the 14-day incidence of positive corona cases. People entering from a risk area must be quarantined for 10 days. A PCR test can be carried out after 5 days to end the quarantine if the test result is negative. There should be exceptions for commuters and business travelers.

Public Places – In public places, all people who do not live in the same household a minimum distance of 1 metre must be kept. When meeting in closed public spaces, keep a distance of one meter and wear mouth and nose protection.

Retail and services – Trade and services are open again. It is mandatory to wear mouth and nose protection. There is a limit of 10 m2 per customer for customer areas.

Gastronomy (including mountain restaurants) – Restaurants, bars, cafes remain closed. Pick-up is possible between 6:00 a.m. and 7:00 p.m. It is not permitted to dispense alcoholic beverages.
Delivery services will remain permitted without time restrictions.
From January 7th the catering can reopen with restrictions depending on the infection rate.

Hotels and accommodation providers – Hotels and accomodation providers stay closed. There are exceptions e.g. for business trips that cannot be postponed.
From January 7th, accommodation providers can reopen with restrictions depending on the infection rate..

Events – Events are prohibited (including cultural events, wedding celebrations, birthday parties and Christmas markets).
Information on possible easing restrictions should be announced in approx. 10-14 days.

Museums, libraries, galleries – Museums, galleries and libraries are open again. It is mandatory to wear mouth and nose protection. A restriction of 10 m2 per visitor applies to visitor areas.

Sport – All contact and team sports (soccer, etc.) are prohibited, indoor sports facilities are closed to amateur athletes. Outdoor sports venues can open from December 24th. Thus, individual outdoor sports (such as skiing, cross-country skiing, ice skating, …) are possible from the 24th of December, taking the appropriate hygiene rules into account.

Cable cars, lifts – Cable cars, gondolas and ascent aids may not be used for recreational purposes until December 23rd. From December 24th, cable cars, gondolas and lifts (in closed cabins with a capacity restriction of 50%) can also be used for leisure purposes. Wearing a face and nose mask is also mandatory in the waiting and boarding areas.

For the Spirit of the Mountains – PlanetSKI: Number One for ski news





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Looks like thats the end of that
 

chrisg46

LE
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I went skiing (Val Thorens) for the first time at the start of the year and found that I am really really not very good at it!
First day I spent more time transitioning from vertical to horizontal than actually standing upright (although did manage to ski into a load of deckchairs at one of the bars as I hadn't figured out how to stop quickly).
Second day, I deliberately went over as I couldn't otherwise stop (see above) in time to take out a bunch of people and twisted my knee, which was annoying as I might have been starting to grasp the concepts but was off the slopes for two days as I recovered enough to try again.
Confidence was gone at this point, so was very gingerly going down the simple slopes for one day before being paired with one of the instructors who I just didn't gel with - he insisted I was being a pussy (probably had a point to be fair) and the way to correct this was to make me go down the slightly more advanced slopes. Again, I spent more time horizontal than vertical, with the extra fun of sliding...
The last day was with a different instructor as I am fairly sure punches would be mutually exchanged with the previous one before long. Again, I was just starting to get the feeling I was getting the hang of it when I took another tumble and hurt my knee, although not as badly as before.
 
I went skiing (Val Thorens) for the first time at the start of the year and found that I am really really not very good at it!
First day I spent more time transitioning from vertical to horizontal than actually standing upright (although did manage to ski into a load of deckchairs at one of the bars as I hadn't figured out how to stop quickly).
Second day, I deliberately went over as I couldn't otherwise stop (see above) in time to take out a bunch of people and twisted my knee, which was annoying as I might have been starting to grasp the concepts but was off the slopes for two days as I recovered enough to try again.
Confidence was gone at this point, so was very gingerly going down the simple slopes for one day before being paired with one of the instructors who I just didn't gel with - he insisted I was being a pussy (probably had a point to be fair) and the way to correct this was to make me go down the slightly more advanced slopes. Again, I spent more time horizontal than vertical, with the extra fun of sliding...
The last day was with a different instructor as I am fairly sure punches would be mutually exchanged with the previous one before long. Again, I was just starting to get the feeling I was getting the hang of it when I took another tumble and hurt my knee, although not as badly as before.
Stick with it. Its the mutts
 
I went skiing (Val Thorens) for the first time at the start of the year and found that I am really really not very good at it!
First day I spent more time transitioning from vertical to horizontal than actually standing upright (although did manage to ski into a load of deckchairs at one of the bars as I hadn't figured out how to stop quickly).
Second day, I deliberately went over as I couldn't otherwise stop (see above) in time to take out a bunch of people and twisted my knee, which was annoying as I might have been starting to grasp the concepts but was off the slopes for two days as I recovered enough to try again.
Confidence was gone at this point, so was very gingerly going down the simple slopes for one day before being paired with one of the instructors who I just didn't gel with - he insisted I was being a pussy (probably had a point to be fair) and the way to correct this was to make me go down the slightly more advanced slopes. Again, I spent more time horizontal than vertical, with the extra fun of sliding...
The last day was with a different instructor as I am fairly sure punches would be mutually exchanged with the previous one before long. Again, I was just starting to get the feeling I was getting the hang of it when I took another tumble and hurt my knee, although not as badly as before.
That’s pretty much how everyone starts. I started in Verbier on a army course, day and a half on the nursery slope getting to grips with the snowplough then up the mountain straight into red runs. Our instructor didn’t believe in blue runs other than a means to navigate the mountain for some proper skiing. The thigh burn was immense.
 

Oyibo

LE
Macron is to make an announcement on the 15th. Have just spoken with a neighbour who is pretty well connected politically and he says there is a very strong lobby to get the slopes open ASAP. I can't really see it happening before Christmas, but fingers crossed.

Still chucking it down with snow at 420m ASL, and more forecast.

Just got back from the shops:

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Never skied in Italy (back side of Zermatt on the Kline Matterhorn doesn’t really count) as the thought of hundreds of Italians all talking/shouting at each other at the same time rather spoils the beauty of the mountains tranquility for me.
I've been to the Grödnertal in Südtirol a few time, a very nice area, and great food. Not a great amount of shouting going on, but then the locals still don't really consider themselves to be Italian even after 100 odd years.
 
Macron is to make an announcement on the 15th. Have just spoken with a neighbour who is pretty well connected politically and he says there is a very strong lobby to get the slopes open ASAP. I can't really see it happening before Christmas, but fingers crossed.

Still chucking it down with snow at 420m ASL, and more forecast.

Just got back from the shops:

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Reports in the ski press are talking about restricted access for locals with no hotels open. Also bans on French residents busing into Swiss resorts. Italy seems to have decided nothing opens till after the NY.
 

Oyibo

LE
Reports in the ski press are talking about restricted access for locals with no hotels open. Also bans on French residents busing into Swiss resorts. Italy seems to have decided nothing opens till after the NY.

That sums it up pretty well. On chatting to the neighbour in the know (he used to be a politician) he did say that restricted access for locals was a strong possibility (there's still a 20km travel limit in place, so that rules out much else unless they change it).

[Rant] The ban on travelling to Switzerland to ski smacks to me of 'if you can't do it in France, you are not allowed to anywhere else'. 1000s travel across the border each day crammed into humid buses and trams, but chairlifts aren't allowed! [/Rant]

If you are travelling from overseas Austria and Switzerland look like the best bets.
 
Switzerland is pretty much open for business as per.
Masks will only be required in enclosed spaces, including telepheriques and telecabines, but not on the pistes or tire-fesses.
People are asked to bear personal responsibility for respecting Covid precautions when queuing.
The authorities have decided normal ‘masques Sanitaire’ are impractical for conditions in the mountains - one technical problem being fogging - and a neck wrap around has been developed. These will be on sale in resorts, and I think I read the maximum cost will be CHF 10.00.
Rules on bars, restaurants, discos etc are Cantonal, though, on the whole, while bars and discos are closed, restaurants are open - max 4 per table. Outdoor bars are open.
They also require you to check in and out of the establishment using the free ‘SocialPass’ App.
In theory, you can sign in on a proforma, but that could get fraught if the management decide they can’t be arrsed.
After all that, given there maybe some minor variations depending on Cantonal regs, check!
 
That sums it up pretty well. On chatting to the neighbour in the know (he used to be a politician) he did say that restricted access for locals was a strong possibility (there's still a 20km travel limit in place, so that rules out much else unless they change it).

[Rant] The ban on travelling to Switzerland to ski smacks to me of 'if you can't do it in France, you are not allowed to anywhere else'. 1000s travel across the border each day crammed into humid buses and trams, but chairlifts aren't allowed! [/Rant]

If you are travelling from overseas Austria and Switzerland look like the best bets.
Just as well the Fr/CH border doesn’t run through the Portes du Soleil, then.
They’ll probably just close the lifts to the Mur des Veuves (Widows’ Wall) above Avoriaz.
 

Oyibo

LE
Just as well the Fr/CH border doesn’t run through the Portes du Soleil, then.

At least one won't have to pay for the lifts on the French side. But yes, it's an absolute nonsense.

Being rather selfish, I can understand that France does not want a huge influx of people from other countries (and staying in hotels), but FFS I am 10 minutes from the nearest ski station and 20kms from the Swiss border. Just get people to show an 'Attestation de Domicile' when buying ski passes and apply sensible rules for lifts, slopes, and shops etc.

PS. I bought a bottle of whisky earlier so my rants might get more vituperous as Friday evening progresses.
PPS. I take it you are getting the same heavy snowfall today?
 
At least one won't have to pay for the lifts on the French side. But yes, it's an absolute nonsense.

Being rather selfish, I can understand that France does not want a huge influx of people from other countries (and staying in hotels), but FFS I am 10 minutes from the nearest ski station and 20kms from the Swiss border. Just get people to show an 'Attestation de Domicile' when buying ski passes and apply sensible rules for lifts, slopes, and shops etc.

PS. I bought a bottle of whisky earlier so my rants might get more vituperous as Friday evening progresses.
PPS. I take it you are getting the same heavy snowfall today?
Fully agree.
Heavy snowfall? Just a bit, and we are at almost 3 times your altitude.
Trying to keep the drive, garage and front path clear, as per commune regs, today, could have been a bit like painting the Forth Bridge!
Most of us, though, just did three passes, morning, noon and I’ve just finished another one.
Most of the day there’s been a Spanish-registered artic blocking the end of our road and route into town. A right pain. He wasn’t able to negotiate the bend on the hill out of town en route to the French border.
No winter tyres on the vehicle, and I’ll put short money the twwwaaaat had entered ‘shortest route’ into his satnav.
‘Fastest route’ would have taken him up an autoroute and on to an RN without serious bends, to get to Pontarlier.
 
Macron is to make an announcement on the 15th. Have just spoken with a neighbour who is pretty well connected politically and he says there is a very strong lobby to get the slopes open ASAP. I can't really see it happening before Christmas, but fingers crossed.

Still chucking it down with snow at 420m ASL, and more forecast.

Just got back from the shops:

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swine. I hate you!

lucky cnut
 

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