Six Sigma

#1
Hi

Been out since Sep 07 and my company have just sent me on a six sigma course which I would really like to recommend to any serviceman leaving.

What is it? Well, in a nutshell you look at a start point of an process, ie, a delivery of stock and you define, measure, analyse, improve and control then whole proces. Put simply, you look at where things are going 'wrong' and improve on them.

Why am I posting this? Well we had this guy from the British Standards say to us that Six Sigma is now becoming a stronly desired skill for anybody wanting any sort of decent postion in almost any part of industry. In addition, it really gets you to think about cost of manpower, cost and length of processes which you tend not to think too much about in the services!

For you REME TQM bods, you would love it and Six Sigma works really good with TQM.

Note - it is not just a course, you do the training and then have to apply it to a real project, but once it is on the CV it really opens up some gates.

PM if you want more info.
 

mysteron

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#2
Just as an addendum - LSS is great for the manufacturing industry but has less value in areas such as IT. But don't let that fool you - they still attempt to shoehorn LSS in every area.

It is reputed that Honda in Swindon have conducted LSS on every piece of the manufacture of one their cars, down to positioning of tools for mechanics (probably exaggerated IMHO - but it serves as an example of how people value it).

LSS is today's big thing, use it to get a well piad job and then find the next big thing to get paid more - or just keep your job!!!

These things are rarely for life.
 
#3
I've been thinking about this for a while.

Was it run "in house" or did they pay you to go on a Civvy Course?

How long was the course? Any exams? Pre-requisites? etc?

Is it a 'proper' Qualification. If so do you know what level it is on the old National Quals framework thing?
 
#4
Hi

It was in-house, in that it was only people from my company who attended. For me, I did what was called Yellow Belt which is just attendance (3 days) and that basically gives you the ability to work in a Lean Six Sigma environment. My next step is Green belt which is a mix of real project and a weeks course, I believe you have to have your project ready before you go on the course and you use the instructor to guide you through your project.

Not that sure how you would self fund etc, but this is the company we used was BSI:

http://www.bsi-global.com/en/About-...ality-and-Business-Improvement/News-Content3/

Just call them and let one of the instructors tell you how LSS could help you.
 
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#5
The whole, yellow belt, black belt thing just makes me roll my eyes, give me experience and common sense any day....works for me and I run a global supply chain in 14 countries with three manufacturing sites. Ok I'm also a SAP and JD Edwards boffin but the whole CIPS Sigma thing is a waste as far as I'm concerned....it's the last thing I look for when recruiting.

Common sense, experience, nice tits is what one wants..
 
#6
Deleted 20555 said:
The whole, yellow belt, black belt thing just makes me roll my eyes, give me experience and common sense any day....works for me and I run a global supply chain in 14 countries with three manufacturing sites. Ok I'm also a SAP and JD Edwards boffin but the whole CIPS Sigma thing is a waste as far as I'm concerned....it's the last thing I look for when recruiting.

Common sense, experience, nice tits is what one wants..
In that order or are you flexible?
 
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Deleted 20555

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#7
In that order I'm afraid...one does tend to find items 1&2 mean that item 3 is seldom available.
 
#8
We run this course In House here.... have to say... I tend to groan when having to deal with any of the engineers who have been on them... they normally cant tell their a*rse from their elbow....althought he "Blackbelts" do get a week in Prague twice a year to do whatever it is they do... cant say I see any improvement in their process skills on their return..or infact ever!!
 
#9
Deleted 20555 - Sadly not everyone thinks like that mate. As time goes on, it seems that being in possession of the strangely worded bollox bit of paper is replacing the values you mention. US based/owned Multinational Corps are companies in particular are particularly keen about having all the paper in order.
 
#10
bullshit said:
Hi

Been out since Sep 07 and my company have just sent me on a six sigma course which I would really like to recommend to any serviceman leaving.

What is it? Well, in a nutshell you look at a start point of an process, ie, a delivery of stock and you define, measure, analyse, improve and control then whole proces. Put simply, you look at where things are going 'wrong' and improve on them.
Why am I posting this? Well we had this guy from the British Standards say to us that Six Sigma is now becoming a stronly desired skill for anybody wanting any sort of decent postion in almost any part of industry. In addition, it really gets you to think about cost of manpower, cost and length of processes which you tend not to think too much about in the services!

For you REME TQM bods, you would love it and Six Sigma works really good with TQM.

Note - it is not just a course, you do the training and then have to apply it to a real project, but once it is on the CV it really opens up some gates.

PM if you want more info.
My bold. What, like make them worse?
 
#11
Six Sigma isn't a new thing it's been about for ages. A lot of manufacturing industries stick a big bonus on having six sigma experience. It's a useful tool whenever it's properly rolled out, but a time wasting exercise if not given the proper resources.

Another idea might be to get a project management qualification. Six Sigma IMHO is a bit specialised and would narrow your options. A good course though, so I'm not knocking it. Another option might be a more generic project management course, like PRINCE II or the like. Just my penny's worth...
 
#12
Deleted 20555 said:
The whole, yellow belt, black belt thing just makes me roll my eyes, give me experience and common sense any day....works for me and I run a global supply chain in 14 countries with three manufacturing sites. Ok I'm also a SAP and JD Edwards boffin but the whole CIPS Sigma thing is a waste as far as I'm concerned....it's the last thing I look for when recruiting.

Common sense, experience, nice tits is what one wants..
Totally agree, if I spot this sort of thing on a CV I tend to pass onto the next one. Looking for common sense, enthusiasm, aptitude and attitude, oh and nice legs and tits definately helps ;-)
 
#13
bullshit said:
Put simply, you look at where things are going 'wrong' and improve on them.
Yep, used to be called management.
 
#14
jcm649 said:
Deleted 20555 said:
The whole, yellow belt, black belt thing just makes me roll my eyes, give me experience and common sense any day....works for me and I run a global supply chain in 14 countries with three manufacturing sites. Ok I'm also a SAP and JD Edwards boffin but the whole CIPS Sigma thing is a waste as far as I'm concerned....it's the last thing I look for when recruiting.

Common sense, experience, nice tits is what one wants..
Totally agree, if I spot this sort of thing on a CV I tend to pass onto the next one. Looking for common sense, enthusiasm, aptitude and attitude, oh and nice legs and tits definately helps ;-)
Seconded. 6S tends to be used in a few industry sectors, where project management skills jump industries quite nicely.

6S does enjoy a bit of a cr*p rep, as it's been poorly implemented so many times.

The point about letters and courses is valid though. Most project management roles require Prince these days, but very few of the companies who apply this criteris actually use Prince at all. It's just a way to quickly weed out the herd of applicants.
 
#15
Drummer_Boy said:
jcm649 said:
Deleted 20555 said:
The whole, yellow belt, black belt thing just makes me roll my eyes, give me experience and common sense any day....works for me and I run a global supply chain in 14 countries with three manufacturing sites. Ok I'm also a SAP and JD Edwards boffin but the whole CIPS Sigma thing is a waste as far as I'm concerned....it's the last thing I look for when recruiting.

Common sense, experience, nice tits is what one wants..
Totally agree, if I spot this sort of thing on a CV I tend to pass onto the next one. Looking for common sense, enthusiasm, aptitude and attitude, oh and nice legs and tits definately helps ;-)
Seconded. 6S tends to be used in a few industry sectors, where project management skills jump industries quite nicely.

6S does enjoy a bit of a cr*p rep, as it's been poorly implemented so many times.

The point about letters and courses is valid though. Most project management roles require Prince these days, but very few of the companies who apply this criteris actually use Prince at all. It's just a way to quickly weed out the herd of applicants.
Agreed. I've never fully implemented a complete strategy, just elements of it which look pretty in meetings! :D

But this isn't about doing the job, it's about getting it. If you have a qualification it gets your foot in through the door. If you have the common sense and nice tits, it gets you the job.
 
#16
Hi

Not saying 6S is the 'beez n eeze', just that for my company that employs 17000 people across the globe all senior managers have to be green belt, all engineers an minimum of yellow belt. I know GE, a much larger company than the one I work for insists pretty much everybody must have it.

Look, I only left last september and I can assure those leaving that one issue is people from the industry have often a wrong or misguided conception of ex servicemen. From what I have seen, if you are going for a job with a company that is going through the Six Sigma process or is using it, this qual on yr CV will really boost your chances of being interviewed as you can basically talk the same language as those in the company.
 
#17
Like they say, it's all about maximising your options, so if something can open a few doors, I say bring it on. Then again, I'm doing LECB instead.
 

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