Six Arrested for Sexual Assault on 17yr Old Female Soldier

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Let's hope they're "six ex-soldiers" in the very near future.
There's little doubt their military careers are over, assuming the allegation is genuine.

As this is very likely to be sub-judice, probably the less said the better at this stage on here.
 
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RMP are investigating so the accused should be fine.
Something like this will have been passed off to SIB in all likelihood.

The lass should get herself a brief in her own best interest, always best in legal matters even as the complainant.
 
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Something like this will have been passed off to SIB in all likelihood.

The lass should get herself a brief in her own best interest, always best in legal matters even as the complainant.
In our system, due to recent changes in our Uniform Code of Military Justice, victims of sexual assault are assigned a "victim's counsel"--a qualified judge advocate with additional "victimology" training. This counsel attends all interviews of the victim and represents his/her interests all through the process, including having a right to be heard in any plea bargaining.

Additionally, the immediate CO of the accused is divested of jurisdiction to act in the case (lest there be any cover up or slap on the wrist) and the matter must be tried by a general court martial with mandatory dishonorable discharge in addition to any other punishment adjudged if the accused is convicted.
 
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You Yanks do like to rape each other
Not very appropriate.
The US is in a very different space, with regards to sexual harassment in the forces. The Marines United scandal and the scale of similar behaviour found in the other services kickstarted a response, some of which JJH refers to.

Though these have started, articles like this: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/04/magazine/marine-corps-sexual-harrassment.html
shows they still have a way to go.

Currently the UK seems to have episodes of exceptionally twuntish behaviour (often revolving around alcohol) that are normally addressed/offenders dealt within a timeframe.

If its actually something more frequent,systemic and widespread to a scale on par with the US, then the forces are screwed in so many different ways

E2A: the US approach seen from the bottom up - still a way to go...
 
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Ok. Devils advocate.
What if said female soldier is a complete and utter waste of space and is an absolute admin nightmare. In the brown stuff and she knows it.

What better way to deflect attention away from the issues of her being unsuitable for the Army than alleging sexual assault by members of her intake ,including a staffy.

If she is telling the truth then they should be hit with everything the system has got, if they are innocent how much damage has been done to the guys involved?
 

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Caught between this:
Let's hope they're "six ex-soldiers" in the very near future.
And this:
Ok. Devils advocate.
What if said female soldier is a complete and utter waste of space and is an absolute admin nightmare. In the brown stuff and she knows it.

What better way to deflect attention away from the issues of her being unsuitable for the Army than alleging sexual assault by members of her intake, including a staffy.

If she is telling the truth then they should be hit with everything the system has got, if they are innocent how much damage has been done to the guys involved?
...which is precisely why we have due process. If she's been assaulted, I hope the book is thrown at people. If she hasn't, vice versa.
 

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In our system, due to recent changes in our Uniform Code of Military Justice, victims of sexual assault are assigned a "victim's counsel"--a qualified judge advocate with additional "victimology" training. This counsel attends all interviews of the victim and represents his/her interests all through the process, including having a right to be heard in any plea bargaining.

Additionally, the immediate CO of the accused is divested of jurisdiction to act in the case (lest there be any cover up or slap on the wrist) and the matter must be tried by a general court martial with mandatory dishonorable discharge in addition to any other punishment adjudged if the accused is convicted.
That sounds like it is fair to all parties, no chance of the British Army adopting it then!
 
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A staffy as well?
That's got to be what, 15 -18 years service . I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there's a chance that the young lady is probably telling big fibs.

And if she is , she needs the book to be thrown at her.
 
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Totally agree. Can't imagine what it would be like to be accused of sexual assault if you hadn't done anything.
Even worse, now that it is in the press, even if they were acquitted after due process, there will be widespread accusations of "cover up", especially after the Corbyn incident with the Paras....

There is a broad view, strongly reinforced by numerous TV dramas, that the military is a hard-core, misogynist institution that only plays lip service to the issues that are taboo in wider society.

Some cats can't be put back in the bag, ever.
 
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A staffy as well?
That's got to be what, 15 -18 years service . I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there's a chance that the young lady is probably telling big fibs.

And if she is , she needs the book to be thrown at her.
On the contrary. Of two sexual assault cases I came across (in the TA) in one case the perp was a 30-something captain, ex-regular, with many years' experience, while the other was a young (regular) private who'd only been in for a couple of years. An SNCO should know better, of course, but some of them think their rank makes them untouchable. And if the others were trainees like the girl (making a few wild assumptions here!), they'll have assumed it was ok/they were going to get away with it, because one of the DS was involved.

Be interesting to know whether the accused deny that anything happened, admit everything, or say something went on but it was consensual. All will no doubt be revealed in time.
 
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On the contrary. Of two sexual assault cases I came across (in the TA) in one case the perp was a 30-something captain, ex-regular, with many years' experience, while the other was a young (regular) private who'd only been in for a couple of years. An SNCO should know better, of course, but some of them think their rank makes them untouchable. And if the others were trainees like the girl (making a few wild assumptions here!), they'll have assumed it was ok/they were going to get away with it, because one of the DS was involved.

Be interesting to know whether the accused deny that anything happened, admit everything, or say something went on but it was consensual. All will no doubt be revealed in time.
Either we were in the same unit or there is a theme here. TA unit social, after several hours of drinking, ex-Reg LE Capt tells a very young, very new female Pte “ I need to see you in my office in 10 minutes”. Fortunately witnessed by a PSI with integrity who sought advice from higher authority who intervened pdq.
 

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