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Sir Michael Rose - another armchair speaks out.

#1
A former British Army commander has accused Tony Blair of putting soldiers at "considerable and quite unnecessary risk".

General Sir Michael Rose, who led troops in Bosnia, criticised cuts in funding since Labour came to power.
Has anybody got the full text from the Independent on Sunday?

My question to Arrsers is, what will it take for this Govt to sit up and take notice?
http://www.modoracle.com/
 
#2
A former British Army commander has accused Tony Blair of putting soldiers at "considerable and quite unnecessary risk" with cuts in defence spending. General Sir Michael Rose told the Independent on Sunday that despite statements to the contrary troops were not getting the support they should.

Another of the retired Wiltshire Warriors who did not say a lot when he was in a position to do so ? Ok, we all know what he was once but, as far as I'm concerned all this spouting from behind his massive pension means nothing............
 
#3
Another of the retired Wiltshire Warriors who did not say a lot when he was in a position to do so ? Ok, we all know what he was once but, as far as I'm concerned all this spouting from behind his massive pension means nothing............
Unless a sustained assault on this government from such people keeps defence in the headlines long enough for people to start taking note.
 
#4
The_Dragoon said:
A former British Army commander has accused Tony Blair of putting soldiers at "considerable and quite unnecessary risk" with cuts in defence spending. General Sir Michael Rose told the Independent on Sunday that despite statements to the contrary troops were not getting the support they should.

Another of the retired Wiltshire Warriors who did not say a lot when he was in a position to do so ? Ok, we all know what he was once but, as far as I'm concerned all this spouting from behind his massive pension means nothing............
What were things like when he was in a position to speak out? When did he retire?

The BBC mentioned he's ex-UN Bosnia chief - in which case he could pre-date blair.

Defence cuts 'put troops at risk'

A former British Army commander has accused Tony Blair of putting soldiers at "considerable and quite unnecessary risk" with cuts in defence spending.
General Sir Michael Rose told the Independent on Sunday that despite statements to the contrary troops were not getting the support they should.

The "military ethos" was being undermined by new laws, he said.

But the Ministry of Defence said it recognised the importance of investing in the armed forces.

The ex-Bosnia UN chief's comments come in the wake of calls from the head of British forces in southern Iraq for national support for soldiers serving in the country.

The infantry is the vital combat arm in insurgency warfare, yet manpower has continued to fall

Issues such as underfunding had to be addressed to maintain their quality of work, Major General Richard Shirreff said, but the Ministry of Defence said spending had risen steadily.

Writing in the paper, Sir Michael said although Defence Secretary Des Browne maintained there had been an increase in spending in the last three years, most had gone on technical programmes such as Trident replacement.

He said: "In the past six years, the prime minister has presided over a near-catastrophic decline in defence spending which has put our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan at considerable and quite unnecessary risk."

"For fighting insurgencies such as those in Afghanistan and Iraq we need rather large numbers of soldiers on the ground, proper protection and tactical mobility, including helicopters," he added.

'Blood brother'

He said that it had been "tremendously heartening" for servicemen and women to see senior military "standing up for them" by speaking out about resources.

Health and safety and equal opportunity laws and "risk management" were damaging the military ethos, he said, adding that good command and effective military tactics were better than "imposed civil law".

On President George W Bush and Tony Blair's handling of Iraq, Sir Michael wrote: "They tell us it is the Iraqi government that runs the country.

"This is disgraceful hand-washing. They know, under the Geneva Conventions, they were responsible for the disastrous breakdown of law and order in the country they invaded."

But he said Mr Bush had at least "put his money where his mouth was" by giving resources and support to his troops.

Sir Michael has previously called for Mr Blair to be impeached over Iraq, for going to war on "false grounds".

An MoD spokesman said: "Defence spending has been steadily increasing.

"Last year alone we spent more than £700m on improvements to service housing, announced the introduction of a new £2,240 operational bonus and invested millions more in new equipment, including body armour and armoured vehicles."
Does sound like he's been pretty active from his armchair!!
 
#6
And all of this criticism is entirely random. There's no organisation and not an ounce of strategy. The result will be to increase a few book sales, add a few media appearances and that's about it.

One might have thought that some of these retired brass-hats would have seen the sense in a collective campaign. Or maybe what we're witnessing is a collective campaign of former chiefs - in which case it's very unlikely to succeed.

If these gentlemen are at all serious about their expressed views they should be (should have been) talking to each other and putting together a proper plan for action. After all, now that they've retired, they probably have a fair amount of time on their hands...

Carrying on in this apparently haphazard manner only serves to benefit them as individuals.
 
#7
"Such people" are ignored by almost all because they are yesterdays men.

No matter whom or what they were - and yes I know Mike Roses' military cv- they are either out of the loop or 5 minutes ago.

They may talk sense but it is coloured by the past that still clings to them.

What is needed is more current serving Senior personel to start shouting,
"That won't work!" and then following through.
 
#10
But it's the steady drip-drip-drip of newspaper articles, television appearances, etc, that keeps the issue to the forefront of peoples minds.

An article every week stops the issue fading into obscurity.

This is one of the things that keep the NHS issues alive and well - daily political exposure.
 
#11
Is it a coincidence that all these retired Ex soldiers are all coming out one after another. Didn't Rose retire rather than do something he didn't agree with?
Loyalty up and down is the one common statement throughout my time in, why would they speak out while still in when that is the code drilled into us.
 
#13
Unsworth,
very, very, true of you to say that.
That was what was wrong with the civvy anti war movement.
Loads of people saw the enormous error of it all but had no identifiable way to organise as an effective power block to stop it.

Its frightening!
 
#14
Mr_Relaxed said:
But it's the steady drip-drip-drip of newspaper articles, television appearances, etc, that keeps the issue to the forefront of peoples minds
The drips don't seem to do a lot though, what we need is a bloody big tsunami of retired Generals and the like to give this government a waterfall !
 
#18
The answer to your question is that nothing will make the Government take notice of anything the Treasury does not want it to unless there is some tangible political consequence.

Other than losing significantly in local, or bye-elections there is no political consequence to it whatsoever!

It is news that will disappear, subsumed beneath the next major headline as the media become bored with this particular issue, cease to give it any prominence and allow the Government to escape to the next contentious issue since the Government know that the public have the attention span of an infant child and tend not to stay focused on one issue for too long before moving on.

It works every time.

If anyone actually believes that this or any other Government cares about anything or any one other than it's own political survival and perpetuation than he is living in Cloud Cuckoo land!

Do not be fooled by expressions of sympathy or regret or expressions of support from these people. Such expressions are cheap and come easy - rather like most politicians!

If you are waiting and hoping for things to improve, then you are going to have as long long wait!
 
#19
A former British Army commander has accused Tony Blair of putting soldiers at "considerable and quite unnecessary risk".

General Sir Michael Rose, who led troops in Bosnia, criticised cuts in funding since Labour came to power.

His criticism follows calls this week for extra support from the commander of British forces in Basra, Major General Richard Shirreff.

Writing in the Independent On Sunday newspaper, Sir Michael said it was "tremendously heartening" to see senior military speaking out about resources.

He went on: "In the past six years, the Prime Minister has presided over a near-catastrophic decline in defence spending which has put our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan at considerable, and quite unnecessary risk."

He also said that Mr Blair and US President George Bush were trying to "evade responsibility" for the state of Iraq.

"They tell us it is the Iraqi government that runs the country," he wrote. "This is disgraceful hand-washing. They know, under the Geneva Conventions, they were responsible for the disastrous breakdown of law and order in the country they invaded."

Sir Michael has previously called for the Prime Minister to be impeached over Iraq, where he had gone to war on "false grounds".
 
#20
Oh dear Sir Michael. Really!

Blair impeached? If you or anyone else believes that that is actually going to happen or that he will ever be held to account other than politically at an election then you are just as politically naive as Blair and Brown are militarily naive!

Nice of you to speak up though old chap to add your voice to all of the others who do not yet recognise a tin ear when they see it!

The people you are trying to influence have skin thicker than Chobham armour, and are completely and utterly amoral!
 

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