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Sir John Parker's National Shipbuilding Strategy

Flight

LE
Book Reviewer
Good find..

Of the numerous questions asked, she managed to answer not a single one.

The SNP chaps did rather well though. Quite impressed.
 
Only demonstrated Harriet's ability to dodge a question. Didn't force her into a corner because they spent too much time pointing out the obvious.

News impact? Zero point zero....
 

Flight

LE
Book Reviewer
News impact outside the Clyde Examiner and Government Monopoly Shipyard Gazette would be zero anyway.

Sadly.
 
Only demonstrated Harriet's ability to dodge a question. Didn't force her into a corner because they spent too much time pointing out the obvious.

News impact? Zero point zero....

I jokingly said to a programme chappie this afternoon, 'so it's more OPVs then'?
He said don't joke.
 

Flight

LE
Book Reviewer
I'm sure Baes would be gutted if we kept giving them £120m for £50m OPVs.

Interesting that no Tories turned up to the NSS debate, yet the Sun runs an article saying all our SSNs are broken and twitter erupts with Tories tweeting their concern.
 
Dear God

Parliamentlive.tv

Evidence session today on National Shipbuilding Strategy. Unfortunately SJP shown to be somewhat out of depth in terms of how the MoD works (or doesn't) - although he nails the issue of Treasury interference. But Julian Lewis - who is normally quite sensible - is clearly away with the fairies in terms of his understanding of what drives ship design. There's a monologue just over an hour in where he starts wibbling about cruisers and destroyers and why an OPV would actually be badged as a frigate.

Anyone waiting for a magic solution from this is going to have a long wait......
 

P2000

LE
Dear God

Parliamentlive.tv

Evidence session today on National Shipbuilding Strategy. Unfortunately SJP shown to be somewhat out of depth in terms of how the MoD works (or doesn't) - although he nails the issue of Treasury interference. But Julian Lewis - who is normally quite sensible - is clearly away with the fairies in terms of his understanding of what drives ship design. There's a monologue just over an hour in where he starts wibbling about cruisers and destroyers and why an OPV would actually be badged as a frigate.

Anyone waiting for a magic solution from this is going to have a long wait......

But he was in the RNR you know. When it had minesweepers. And he's an MP. If anything he's overqualified to comment on warship design
 

P2000

LE
#sarcasm
 

Flight

LE
Book Reviewer
When are we expecting the NSS?

Or the national slightly up gunned OPV strategy?

Will this likely include such things as the amphibious fleet and MCH or is it going to be entirely for Scottish ears?
 
Current buzz is that the NSBS and associated announcement on upgunned OPV may be inbound in the next couple of weeks, now decks are cleared by T26 contract award.

It may be that approach will be significantly different in terms of contract scopes, phasing etc.

Still somewhat hamstrung by limited shipbuilding facilities in UK though.
 

Flight

LE
Book Reviewer
Cheers Boffin,

And the longer term plans for amphibious stuff and mhc?
 
And the longer term plans for amphibious stuff and mhc?

MHC - who knows? All depends on whether autonomy is the silver bullet. Or not.
Amphibs? NCHQ dabbers rather short-sightedly hoping they can do something like this
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in the hope they can avoid spending (much) money. Conveniently forgetting that :

1. Those things are not designed to carry people for long periods of time.
2. they're supposed to be primarily assets to help unload Ro-Ro ships
3. They cost about US$500M each.

Let's hope logic and common sense prevail. But there is precious little precedent for that.
 

Flight

LE
Book Reviewer
The current Mrs Flight wants me to put her tits on instead sonof.

They aren't as good though so she can **** off.

The USMC love their... Whatever they're calling them this week. Probably make more sense if you have lots of hover whatsits hanging around..
 

Flight

LE
Book Reviewer
Just how long is a couple of weeks in the MoD?

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Bouillabaisse

LE
Book Reviewer
Just how long is a couple of weeks in the MoD?

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For commercial purposes July and August should be counted as a single month. The industry launch for T31 has already slipped to the end of August but that's really still the end of July, so still on track.
 

Flight

LE
Book Reviewer
Better late than never.

Can I assume that Baes chips taste a bit acidic today?

Seems there's widespread disbelief at the £250m figure, though hasn't BMT and Saab secured a contract for a Venator? Which seemed to be about $250m.
 
Thaaar she blows!

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...42420/NationalShipbuildingStrategy_lowres.pdf

There are some good points (consideration of UK economic impact not just price), but there's an awful lot that hinges on :

1. Being able to get a T31e that the RN (and export navies) can use for £250M ea.
2. Lots of noise about Navy Command being responsible for delivery - given the staffing in Tracey Island, some might think this "optimistic"........
3. The report gives the impression that HMG has complied with SJP recommendation to give certainty and stability to the budget. In reality, they're still only fixed at Main Gate - just as they are now.
4. Lots of wibble about "commercial standards", neatly avoiding the rather uncomfortable fact that the RN/MoD are signed up to the safety standards of ANEP77 (Naval Ship Code), which are largely solved by the application of Lloyds Rules for Naval Ships. There's going to be some fun and games in that direction.
5. Fantasy about distributed / virtual shipbuilding lowering cost. Not on a budget of that size and with the current UK facilities matey.
6. Most disappointing of all, no suggestion that UK-government owned ships (a pretty small number, but enough to give some comfort to the industrial base) ought to be offered to UK yards first, subject to acceptable price.

Curate's egg. Some good stuff, but an awful lot of spin. Proof will be in the eating, if that's not too many mixed metaphors.
 

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