Since the Second World War what operations has the TA been

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involved in?

I understand there was some TA involvement in Korea and Kenya on a small scale, the majority of the work being done by national servicemen and regulars.

The 6thBn Queens Royal Surrey Regiment took part in operations in Aden in support of another Regiment rather than the regular Bn which was stationed there at the time.

I dont know any details but I heard a Scottish TA Inf Bn was doing camp in Cyprus at the time of the Turkish invasion and had to do its part in defending the SBA.

During the Falklands some members of the AMS, 131 Cdo RE and 289 Cdo RA, the RMR and 21/23 SAS were absorbed into regular units on short S type engagements. But the numbers were low.

Then there was the first Gulf War followed by Bosnia and Kosovo and the obviously operations in Iraq since 2003 and Afghanistan.

What other contributions has the TA made to post 1945 operations?

Cardinal
 
#3
thought the TA wasn't formed till about 1967.

and surely during Suez it was still National Service, which wasn't abolished till about 59-60...
 
#4
sorry to dissapoint you but no-one from 289 Cdo Bty went to the Falklands. I was with them at that time and we were all ready, our kit was made ready for sea - we had 6 guns with full crews, full HQ, FO and NGS parties. Our kit went South - we didn't. They didn't even ask for volunteers for S Types as Maggie had said no civvies (meaning TA).

(At that time there were riots in London and we broke up one at manor Park just by turning up - we were going to Thetford on a FTX but the rioters didn't know that - the old Bill were nearly crying cheering us on!)

The resulting fallout was that the battery lost about a quarter of its men who jacked it in as they thought there was no point carrying on if they weren't going to be used.
 
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1. Actually the post-war TA, by that time redesignated as TAVR 3, was disbanded in 1967. (The full story is more complicated than that, natch!)

2. Many reservists were called up for Suez, and due to the short duration of the operation many ended up kicking their heels in Cyprus or Germany.
 
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hackle said:
1. Actually the post-war TA, by that time redesignated as TAVR 3, was disbanded in 1967. (The full story is more complicated than that, natch!)

2. Many reservists were called up for Suez, and due to the short duration of the operation many ended up kicking their heels in Cyprus or Germany.
Nope, the TA formed TAVR 1-3 (and TAVR 4, or the OTC (etc.) got incorporated into TAVR at that point).

We've since done away with the TAVR 3 level and:

TAVR 1 = HRR (which back in the day meant stay behind OPs for the IGB)
TAVR 2 = Most of the TA these days (and about the same size as the old TAVR 2)
TAVR 4 = Cat B TA (UOTC etc.)

TAVR 3 were TA units comprised mainly of people who'd completed National Service and were obliged to spend another (?) years with the colours in the TA afterwards (but weren't required to turn up), and were so hollow it was laughable.
 
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Sapukay said:
hackle said:
1. Actually the post-war TA, by that time redesignated as TAVR 3, was disbanded in 1967. (The full story is more complicated than that, natch!)

2. Many reservists were called up for Suez, and due to the short duration of the operation many ended up kicking their heels in Cyprus or Germany.
Nope, the TA formed TAVR 1-3 (and TAVR 4, or the OTC (etc.) got incorporated into TAVR at that point).
I did say the full story was more complicated! Amongst the infantry battalions, TAVR 3 were the direct successors of the postwar TA but only attended one Annual Camp (1967) and were disbanded or cadreised in 1969. The post National Service obligation to serve in the TA had long since run out by this time. TAVR 2 were new battalions and until 1982 were known as Volunteers rather than Territorials, until the Territorial Army title was reintroduced in 1982. Fascinating!
 
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CRmeansCeilingReached said:
thought the TA wasn't formed till about 1967.

and surely during Suez it was still National Service, which wasn't abolished till about 59-60...
that will be why next year is TA 100. 2008 - 100 = ?
 
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Just to clarify for those who have only ever known the Territorials as the TA, the correct abbreviation for the Territorials between 1966 and 1982 was T&AVR (Territorial and Army Volunteer Reserve - a merger of the Territorial Army and the Army Volunteer Reserve i.e ex-Regulars with a Reserve commitment).

The "&" was frequently dropped (how do you pronounce "&" in an acronym?), thus TAVR does NOT stand for Territorial Army Volunteer Reserve. Until fairly recently, the TA was not considered a reserve army, but an army in its own right, mobilised on the Queen's order.

IIRC, this meant that either all the TA was mobilised, or none. The Falkland Conflict brought home the desire to mobilise units or individuals, rather than the entire TA (perhaps explaining why 289 Cdo Bty didn't embark or why my unit at the time weren't deployed), leading to a change in the law.

Perhaps someone can confirm.
 
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quiller said:
CRmeansCeilingReached said:
thought the TA wasn't formed till about 1967.

and surely during Suez it was still National Service, which wasn't abolished till about 59-60...
that will be why next year is TA 100. 2008 - 100 = ?
Technically, the TA was disbanded in 1966, but reintroduced in 1982, though the T&AVR covered the intervening period. Depending on how you view the matter, the TA is either 99 years old, 41 years old or 25 years old. As individual units remained in service through all the changes (though perhaps being re-badged), I'd go along with 99 years.

The TA was a separate entity to National Service, by the way.
 
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You could be, if you joined the TA very young. The more likely scenario would be joining the TA after NS.

From Wiki:
National Service as peacetime conscription was formalized by the National Service Act 1948. From January 1, 1949, every healthy man between the ages of 18 and 26 was expected to serve in the armed forces for 18 months, and remain on the reserve list for four years thereafter. Men were exempt from National Service if they worked in three 'essential services', which were coal mining, farming and the merchant navy. In 1950, in response to the Korean War, the service period was extended to two years, although the reserve list period was reduced by six months to compensate. National Servicemen who showed promise could be commissioned as officers. To fulfill the reserve list requirement, men in the National Service joined reserve forces like the Territorial Army. Thus, such forces expanded considerably between 1949 and 1963. Almost every town had units, and many had full regiments or batallions.
 
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Sapukay said:
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TAVR 2 = Most of the TA these days (and about the same size as the old TAVR 2)
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Sounds reassuring, but I don't see how that can be quite right. Where were the post Cold War TA cuts found, if not from TAVR 2 type units? Disbandment of the Home Service Force would only account for 5000.

Fascinating!

Thanks to puttees for his info.
 
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hackle said:
2. Many reservists were called up for Suez, and due to the short duration of the operation many ended up kicking their heels in Cyprus or Germany.
Were they not the special reserve, what would have been militia in the past (i.e. not descended from 1908 Territorials)
 
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polar said:
hackle said:
2. Many reservists were called up for Suez, and due to the short duration of the operation many ended up kicking their heels in Cyprus or Germany.
Were they not the special reserve, what would have been militia in the past (i.e. not descended from 1908 Territorials)
The Special Reserve never really reformed after WW1, and was swept away in the 1922 reforms becoming the entirely paper Sumplementary Reserve (baring a couple of oddities, which were treated like TA units after this until officially incorporated into the TA in 1967, these were generally Irish).

The nearest we had at Suez was the Army Emergency Reserve (AER), which is what the Militia etc. had evolved into. This was the return of the old Militia, a volunteer formation of high readiness reserves (the VR in TAVR). They provided IRs direct to regular units ISTR. However, they were all specialist units (Medics etc.), no infantry or yeomanry.

In 1967, the TA, AER, UOTCs etc. were merged into TAVR for 2 reasons. Firstly with national service over, the TA couldn't maintain it's strength of ~10 divisions. Secondly, the TA had not proven to be too mobilisable for non-total wars. Hence the idea was to take the AER and the cream of the TA to form TAVR 1+2, while what was left formed TAVR 3.
 
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Getting the thread back on line the Fusiliers in Balham sent at least one lad to Aden one of the coy’s old stalwarts’ Bert Bedford (Sadly now deceased, Hence dropping Persec) Went as an Ever Ready not the Battery but some type of higher readiness part of the TA they had then. They would have still been cap badged As Royal Fusiliers back then. Bert’s medal (62 GSM) is in the drill hall museum but I’m Shaw he was not the only one to go.
 
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FEASG said:
Getting the thread back on line the Fusiliers in Balham sent at least one lad to Aden one of the coy’s old stalwarts’ Bert Bedford (Sadly now deceased, Hence dropping Persec) Went as an Ever Ready not the Battery but some type of higher readiness part of the TA they had then. They would have still been cap badged As Royal Fusiliers back then. Bert’s medal (62 GSM) is in the drill hall museum but I’m Shaw he was not the only one to go.
Ever Ready = Emergency Reserve (i.e. AER, TAVR1 or now HRR)
 
#20
205 (Sc) General Hospital RAMC(V) deployed on GRANBY (to KKIA as evacuation hospital) - 400 TA, c.50 regular, 200 recalled reservists.
 

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